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FanGraphs Audio Presents: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Ep. 4

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UMP: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Episode 4
This is the fourth episode of a weekly program co-hosted by Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel about player evaluation in all its forms. The show, which is available through the normal FanGraphs Audio feed, has a working name but barely. The show is not all prospect stuff, but there is plenty of that, as the hosts are Prospect Men. Below are some timestamps to make listening and navigation easier.

0:25 – What the guys have been up to

1:34 – TOPIC ONE: Playoff Thoughts with Jack Handey

2:14 – Plans ahead for eliminated teams

2:20 – Colorado Rockies: which prospects are ready, players headed to free agency or one year away, what sort of moves do they make given their competitive situation, featuring Nolan Arenado, Charlie Blackmon, Brendan Rodgers, German Marquez, Garrett Hampson

8:34 – Atlanta Braves: the various ways to approach this offseason, featuring Nick Markakis, Kurt Suzuki, Johan Camargo, J.T. Realmuto, A.J. Pollock, Bryce Harper

14:05 – Who is the NL East favorite in 2019?

16:43 – Cleveland Indians: solving the big holes in the outfield, building on the rock solid rotation, possibly trading from the strength of elite international program

20:50 – Breaking down how Cleveland fell short in the series vs. Houston, including Kiley’s thoughts about an article from The Athletic

24:24 – We make ill-advised World Series picks

25:34 – TOPIC TWO: The Mesa brothers + Sandy Gaston workout

28:30 – Kiley’s adventure in Miami and why this even was different than other open Cuban workouts

30:42 – Eric gives his take and we get into the FBI investigation

36:48 – Does an international draft solve some of these problems? Will the FBI investigation impact the next CBA? What’s the track record of MLB and the player association fixing these sorts of issues?

43:56 – TOPIC THREE: The Kyler Murray intrigue is increasing!

44:18 – Eric usurps Mel Kiper’s draft coverage hair throne

44:50 – Eric is steamed at the football draft illuminati

50:26 – Cal quarterback/center fielder Brandon McIlwain is back on the radar in both sports

51:20 – Kiley has some beef about Kyler Murray as well

53:22 – The guys audition to be football scouts, finding some similarities with baseball

1:00:45 – Eric has to leave to go have his mind blown by Forrest Whitley

Don’t hesitate to direct pod-related correspondence to @kileymcd or @longenhagen on Twitter or at prospects@fangraphs.com.

You can subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or other feeder things.

Audio after the jump. (Approximately 1 hr 1 min play time.)


Eric Longenhagen Chat: 10/11/2018

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2:02
Eric A Longenhagen: Oh, hi there. Welcome to today’s chat. I’ll get right to it.
2:02
Tumbler, Whiskey: Hi Eric, thanks for the time today. Are Kristian Robinson and Geraldo Perdomo the two best prospects in the Diamondbacks’ system?
2:04
Eric A Longenhagen: I woudn’t have Perdomo all the way up there, he’s still behind guys like  Jazz, Varsho, Dup, Thomas…but he is a good prospect. Kristian, you already know.
2:04
JJ: Just seen Santiago Espinal has been sent to the AFL – thoughts on him as a prospect?
2:05
Eric A Longenhagen: Fall League disclaimer: It’s early and I might change my mind on these guys over the next six weeks. Think Espinal is probably an org guy.
2:05
Daniel: Were there any exciting names in Cubs extended or AZL? Reivaj looks interesting (and not just b/c the of the name)

2:07
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes, Reivaj Garcia is good. Advanced bat, will probably stay at second base, was very young for the league and still performed. Could be a 6 bat with 4 power. I like Yovanny Cruz, too. Low-90s, t95, sink, good changeup. Luis Verdugo could be plus glove at short. The draft picks played well in AZL, too.
2:08
mike: Guerrero almost killed a pitcher in Arizona, what does him playing there do for his development? Its just Blue Jay front office trying to cover their asses because they didn’t call him up in September right?
2:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah he hit Tyler Mark with a comebacker to the head last night, it was pretty scary. I think the AFL has more to do with getting him reps after he missed some with a knee injury, but refreshing the narrative from ‘this guy should have been called up’ to ‘look how good this guy is’ is a nice bonus if they can swing that.
2:09
Eric: Do the Yankees have anyone in their system aside from Justus Sheffield who you could see being a solid rotation piece next season?
2:10
Eric A Longenhagen: Loaisiga, if healthy
2:11
Hello: What would you do at 1B for the Mets next season?  Alonso?  Smith?  Other?
2:12
Eric A Longenhagen: Alonso. I still like Smith and think he needs a change of scenery.
2:12
Anthony: Hey Eric, I noticed that Stuart Fairchild’s GB rate dropped significantly between Low-A and High-A. Was there a swing or approach change there, or is it just natural variance?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Haven’t seen him so not sure if there has been a clear change but that stuff typically stabilizes around 50 balls in play, so if the sample is that big there’s a good chance it’s real.
2:13
Anthony: What happened to Aramis Ademan?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Nothing, I don’t think. Numbers weren’t great, but he was pushed pretty aggressively, tools are still fine.
2:14
ChatzMcGee: Was Kyle Wright’s “stuff” overrated coming out of college? Kiley has mentioned the Trackman stuff not really matching the initial scouting reports, and nothing he did in his tiny sample size in the majors seemed to dispel that.
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: I think you could argue his stuff, collectively, doesn’t play as well as the individual parts would suggest. Think it might impact how many bats he misses but still think he’s going to be quite good.
2:15
John Smoltz’s Great Aunt: Any predictions for the Mesa brothers and Gaston?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Miami
2:15
Phan: What does JP Crawford look like going forward? Rough rookie year with all the injuries
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Still has issues getting to pitches away from him. Still think he’s going to be an above-average OBP, plus glove at short.
2:16
Jason Aldean’s Wet Dream: If the Dbacks move Goldschmidt, where could he land? What would a potential package look like?
2:18
Eric A Longenhagen: If they move him this offseason it’s one full year of Goldy plus the pick from the Qualifying offer. That’s pretty good. As far as landing spots go, look to contending teams with a hole at first base or flexibility there. Seattle comes to mind but they’d be easily outbid because the system isn’t great. The Rockies fit. That’d be fun.
2:19
My Mama Says: Any chance Trevor Richards and his magic changeup become a legit mlb starter (4-5)
2:19
Eric A Longenhagen: I don’t think there’s enough else going on for that kind of thing, but that is a 70 changeup.
2:20
Bob Costas: Welcome back to the chat where we have our special guest Evan Leinenkugel.  Now Eric, you’ve been writing about prospects (yes, Gerald, baseball prospects) for quite some time now.  After seeing Don Szszymberski’s ZIPs projections for Vlad Jr., can you recall any other player expected to perform that highly out of the gate?  Thanks for your time, Mr. Longoria.
2:21
Eric A Longenhagen: I think we’re too hard on broadcasters for malapropisms. Talking for three hours without goofing is impossible, especially as you get older.
2:21
Bjorn from Swedish Sex Dungeon: How many years until the Royals can produce a homegrown core that could legitimately help them contend?
2:23
Eric A Longenhagen: If all this pitching hits it’s actually not all that long. Maybe you start seeing a stream of big leaguers graduating in 2-3 years. If three of Mondesi, Lee, Pratto, Melendez and Seuly work out, that plus some of these college arms is a nice core.
2:23
Mark: THE BOARD question — Would it be possible, whether on player pages or the sortable list, to include hit tool indicators, showing what makes a guy’s hit tool what it is? For example, two players could have a 55 FV, but one has contact issues coupled with great barrel control, while another might have great contact skills but a suspect eye at the plate. While understanding the extra layer of practical complexity, I would find it immensely valuable to understanding what a player’s profile actually is.
2:24
Eric A Longenhagen: Yep, splitting the hit tool into components would be good. We do have an idea for showing that stuff, just not sure how to implement it on the site right now.
2:24
Andy: What Cubs’ prospects in the AFL are you interested in getting a look out?
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: Justin Steele, who I get this afternoon (which is why this chat will end slightly early)
2:25
Rollie’s Mustache: Any recent news on Anderson Espinoza? It was reported mid-season that he’d line up to pitch in Fall instructional league games but I didn’t see his name added to rosters. TJ recovery not going as hoped or are the Padres just being extra cautious?
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: He did not throw this fall
2:25
Bjorn from Swedish Sex Dungeon: When evaluating and ranking a pitching prospect who misses a year due to TJ surgery, do you essentially keep your 20-80 evaluations the same and just up the risk factor?
2:26
Eric A Longenhagen: More risk and their time horizon changes.
2:26
Sir Nerdlington: How extreme does a player’s character have to be before it’d affect your FV rating on him?
2:27
Eric A Longenhagen: Extreme enough that we’ve heard about the issues, which is pretty rare. It’s like maybe 6 guys total. The Seth Romero types
2:27
Joe: Any standouts from Brewers Instructs?
2:28
Eric A Longenhagen: Several. Ashby, Daniel Castillo, Eddy Garcia, Turang, Zhao
2:28
Sneaky Snake: What happened with Jon Duplantier this year?  Missed a bunch of time but not much out about his status.  Does he make an appearance in MLB in 2019?  Is he destined for the pen, or can he still be an impact starter?
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: Had hamstring injury during spring training, biceps tendinitis during the summer. Has the stuff and control to start, the org is starved for starters. Think he starts.
2:29
Frank Menechino: Could you see Beane trading some lower level guys (Beck, Lazarito, Allen) for an SP? Could those three get anything worthwhile?
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: If they did anything like that I think it’d be right up against the trade deadline. Think they’d have to feel strongly that they’re competitive to move prospects like that.
2:30
Mikeal: Who do you like more, Gonzalez or Reyes?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: …..]
2:30
Chuncey Wiggins: Do scouts ever switch sports?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: Other than Jonah Hill’s Moneyball character, I can’t think of anyone switching sports off the top of my head.
2:31
Joe: Saw Payton Henry won a GG at C. How would you rate his throw and defense?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: 55 arm, 4 glove
2:32
Guest: How concerned are you by Senzel’s elbow injury forcing him to miss the AFL?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: Not concerned about this one on its own, but starting to get antsy about all of them piling up
2:32
KG2: Are Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, and Josh Hader starting pitchers for the Brewers in years to come?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: Uh, I think they’ll provide starting pitcher value but maybe won’t start games?
2:33
Guest: Who was one player you were shocked to see included on an AFL roster, and one player who didn’t make the cut but you were hoping to see?
2:34
Eric A Longenhagen: I guess I was surprised to see Andres Gimenez given his age. I wanted Tatis
2:34
Jeremy: Any thoughts on Brailyn Marquez?
2:35
Eric A Longenhagen: Sure. Mid-90s from the left side, 55 curveball, kind of a weird delivery but it works. He’s good.
2:35
Matt: What about Widener keeps him at a 40 when his stats look really good?
2:36
Eric A Longenhagen: Well obviously more goes into this than the stats. He’ll probably move up on the offseason list, but basically if we think there’s a chance you’re a single-inning reliever you’re gonna be a 40.
2:36
Prison Mike: Does a really strong showing through the AFL raise Keston Hiura’s stock any higher, or does it just further justify his near top 20 status.  Could the tools tick up a grade?
2:37
Eric A Longenhagen: For me his presence here is going to determine where we project him, defensively. The bat is real.
2:37
Norman Golan: What’s the word on Malcolm Nunez?  His Dominican Summer League stats are off the charts.  Think he can keep it up, and rise quickly?
2:38
Eric A Longenhagen: Sourcing hard on that guy. Mature build but chance to stay at third, plus power.
2:38
Anthony: How were Edward Cabrera and Johan Oviedo this season?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Cabrera’s stuff was fine his control didn’t develop. Oviedo went backwards.
2:39
Hello: How often are you and Kiley at the same place at the same time?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Excluding the few months he lived here while he was still with Atlanta, maybe ten days per year.
2:40
Chuncey Wiggins: Without naming names are there on the field behavior issues that throw up a giant red flag that affects a prospect’s projection?
2:42
Eric A Longenhagen: I’ll name names but the answer is ‘not really’. I’ve only crushed guys in my notes a few times. Rusney Castillo walking to first when he hit a roller into the gap that could have been a double is one. Jesus Sucre rehabbing in the AZL and showing up his teenage pitcher who was struggling to find the zone was another.
2:42
nb: Hey Eric – Question from a Iron Pigs fan (but not about the Phillies!) – I know you see a lot of Arizona’s prospects.  Looks like a pretty dynamic group in the Pioneer league this year.  Do you have any write ups on Alek Thomas, Blaze Alexander, and of course Kristian Robinson?  Thx!
2:43
Eric A Longenhagen: Thomas is plus run, plus glove at whatever OF position he’s playing, plus bat, more doubles power. Blaze is a below-average bat with some power who stays at short. 70 arm. Kristian could be an all-around monster.
2:43
Billy Beane: You have any strong thoughts on Jameson Hannah?
2:43
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s been very good here this fall. 55/60 run, squares up several balls every time I’m in to see Oakland.
2:44
Hello: Why is everyone so sure at this point the Marlins are gonna grab the Mesas?  I don’t know how this stuff works.
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: They’re aggressively trading for pool space which, to Kiley and I, indicates they know what the number has to be to sign those guys and they’re climbing toward it.
2:45
Tom: With more players with unlikely power sources (Mookie, Matt Carpenter, Jose Ramirez etc.) is there more potential for great bat control prospects to tweak via analytics (swing path, launch angle, etc) to get more gamepower vs. what might otherwise be thought? Is this something more teachable than we previously thought
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: Yup
2:45
Billy Beane: Do you have any idea what happens for the A’s if Kyler Murray suddenly becomes a 1st round pick and wants to declare?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: There’s a phrase that’s inappropriate for chat that applies.
2:45
Rollie’s Mustache: Does Eric Padinho start 2019 in Bluefield again or up in Vancouver?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s pretty advanced, he might be in Lansing
2:46
Huckleberry Jones: Anyone from the Rangers Instructional League team particularly jumping out or generating buzz thusfar?
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: Most of the guys you know, like Bubba. But Diosbel Arias keeps hitting. John King’s stuff is good, mid-90s with tail and a 50 curveball. My boy Sherten Apostel has great rhythm at the plate but has been bad in his tries at 1B.
2:47
Ragonk Force: What’s Mike Matuella’s outlook in the bullpen? Any chance of being a high leverage guy or is it more middle reliever?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: If his stuff ticks up in relief he could be a high leverage guy
2:48
Hecubot: You said Kaprielian’s velocity was down when you saw him.  Are we just going to have to wait and see if it bounces back or should I freak out now?  Also, any other A’s prospect notes?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: Just wait and see if there’s bounce
2:48
Adam: How do you personally form an opinion on the performance of a manager?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: I just abstain unless it’s clearly so bad or good.
2:48
Adam: Favorite Billy Joel song?
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: Movin’ Out
2:49
Dave M: Do you mind if readers say hello at AFL games? Not during play of course.
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: Go for it
2:49
Mike: Why no effort to scout in South Asia, they play cricket, same basic skills, and they got like a billion people.
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: No argument from me, teams should get creative
2:49
Tommy Bahama Mama: Who do you like more; Jones, Johnson, Smith, Nguyen, Rios, Anderson, Gonzalez, Martinez, Ortiz, Longenhagen
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: Longenhagen
2:50
boofin’ & ralphin’: why are you a coward
2:50
Eric A Longenhagen: Jeez, this got dark really fast
2:50
BoBa Chett: I thought Corbin Burnes had the stuff to start?
2:50
Eric A Longenhagen: For sure, but what if pitcher roles are changing?
2:50
Cardinal Stan: Do you like Genesis Cabrera at all? Chance to stay a starter? Same about Ryan Helsley.
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: Relief for me but stuff liek that from the left side is pretty rare. Helsley I think has a better chance of starting but I’m worried about his injury.
2:51
Dan: What are the reports on the Brewers’ Zhao?  Just missed him in the Ripken league this summer
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: 90-92, 2 command right now. Curveball could be dominant.
2:51
Tony: Do you think teams consider makeup in the sense that they might take to a swing change? I.e. they hit the ball really hard but at low a low angle, but because of their makeup they are confident they can change?
2:52
Eric A Longenhagen: That probably depends on each teams’ definition of makeup, but some teams consider ‘baseball aptitude’ part of it and for those teams, yes.
2:52
Danny: Seen anything good from Peter Alonso or Andres Gimenez lately?
2:52
Eric A Longenhagen: I was at the other night game last night but know they each mashed last night
2:53
Ben: What’s your take on Starling Heredia? Are you down on him after a tough season?
2:53
Eric A Longenhagen: I am
2:53
BlueJayMatt: How does player development usually decide if a guy needs a swing change or tweak? Is it poor performance (i.e., if a guy is making a weird swing work why change) or will the make the change early because they that they’ll eventually have to anyway, and at that point the cement has hardened too much?
2:53
Eric A Longenhagen: If your TrackMan readout has big exit velos but low launch angles, you’re a candidate.
2:54
Hello: Have you ever been offered a job with an MLB org, and if so why didn’t you take it?
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes, but I really like this job for too many reasons to list in a timely manner, largely because of how I value autonomy.
2:56
Jonathan: When do you expect to start rolling out the lists?
2:56
Eric A Longenhagen: Post World Series, probably. Banking some reports right now, though.
2:56
Nate: What is your take on Trent Deveaux at this point?
2:57
Eric A Longenhagen: Just a talented young player who hasn’t put anything together yet.
2:58
Ozzie Ozzie Albies Free: Admit it, you don’t work for an MLB team because Carson has some kind of kompromat on you.
2:58
Eric A Longenhagen: Okay, I admit it, Cistulli knows where the skeletons are and he’s holding me hostage.
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: Okay, I’ve gotta run to Mesa. Thanks for stopping by this week. Enjoy the LCS’s, I’ve got MIL and HOU advancing. We posted a new podcast ep and a rundown of the Cuban situation, so head over to the prospects page and check that out. Bye bye

Kiley McDaniel Chat – 10/16/18

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2:12

Kiley McDaniel: Sorry for the delay and the weird day but I’ll be traveling tomorrow so here we are. Still working on some projects behind the scenes that you guys will see soon. Have some preliminary FA projections (105 of them!) if you guys are into that, starting work on prospect lists, doing some work on THE BOARD and new features with Sean Dolinar, podcast is coming weekly and working on some research for the THT annual and some stuff with Craig Edwards that will be coming in the next week or two that I think you’ll really like. Warning: we will quantify everything, even the stuff you don’t want us to.

2:12

Tommy N.: How much do you think Eovaldi gets this offseason? 3 years $40M?

2:12

Kiley McDaniel: My guess was 3/45 at first blush, so yeah something like that

2:13

Nate: How do scouts balance the “eye test” and analytics when evaluating talent?

2:15

Kiley McDaniel: Well that’s about a 5,000 word article if we’re breaking down both how the execs and scouts do it. In short, scouts are instructed by most teams to avoid analytics and allows the professionals in the office to apply them, since some scouts will see tiny sample size hitter split data and apply that info incorrectly and skew the report, for instance. In reality, most teams show scouts exit velos and spin rates so they aren’t in the dark, but they generally don’t know how to use it, so they’re given very basic instructions like “round up if the curveball spin rate is x and you graded it y but it’s a borderline grade,” and stuff like that. On the amateur side it’s almost not used at all by scouts other than the basic stuff you can see like this college hitter is striking out 30% of the time, we all know that’s bad.

2:15

GPT: Updated thoughts on Giants front office search?

2:16

Kiley McDaniel: Looks like they shot for the moon and went progressive in going after David Stearns, so it would appear everything is on the table and the hire will lean analytically, if not lean strongly that way…if we’re using the binary definition of analytical/traditional

2:16

Blurg: Has the “fly ball revolution” been fueled  from the top-down by quants in FO’s who convince players to increase their launch angle or from the bottom-up where players independently increased their launch angle and quants observed and advocate for it?

2:19

Kiley McDaniel: I think the idea 1) came from offices, got in the heads of progressive players/coaches, then 2) the open minded (moderate) players/coaches saw the results and starting doing it, then 3) the traditional execs/players/coaches now see there’s some value in it and a) some jump in like the others before them, b) others say well let’s be careful but dip our toes in and c) a smaller group just say this is stupid get off my lawn. Of Broadcasters over the age of 50, about 80% in response c)

2:19

mark: Can you freeze the top row of the BOARD please?

2:19

Kiley McDaniel: Good call, the update will have the option to show 200 rows, so that’s a reasonable feature to have with it

2:19

mark: Do teams give out more information about their draft classes post draft?  Do you have a different feel for certain prospects if you hear different evaluations from teams?

2:21

Kiley McDaniel: Yes, you get the full story on the hideout guys (limited amount of teams knew about a small school college guy/HS player that didn’t go to showcases) and lots of scouts will tell you this pick came down to the 2-3 players and we picked this one, or agents will say this team was really aggressive on this player relative to the rest of the market, teams tell you the pick they had lined up but another team took the player right in front of them, etc. We’ll never report most of it, but it’s useful to have these narratives for players we didn’t have complete info on before the draft.

2:22

mark: Are there certain teams that you think scouts very well compared to others, and if they draft a certain player does it make you go back and take a second look or re-evaluate if they had a higher grade?

2:23

Kiley McDaniel: Eric and I (and the rest of the industry) definitely have teams in our heads (we mention them pretty often) that we think are better than others. If they’re really on a player we both don’t like, we’ll take a step back more than we would if a team we think doesn’t do a good job take them. But we still won’t change the grade until we get some real data (a summer of out of character performance, we see a tool that we didn’t before) to justify changing it.

2:23

duder: How far off is the statistical analysis in the public sphere as opposed to internal analysis of teams? Obviously they have more data, but what kind of reports and numbers are they privy to?

2:25

Kiley McDaniel: The makeup info and trackman data is like 90% of it. We have comparable reports to most teams on most players, they’ll just have a little more detail, see them more often. And the really advanced teams will have other data on top of this, like super advanced trackman analysis, sports science stuff, biomechanical analysis from high speed video, etc. but lots of teams either don’t really do that stuff or it’s a small part of th eval. Teams don’t get medicals on opposing players until a trade has been agreed to and we usually hear about a grisly/disputed medical for amateur player after the draft, so we aren’t even super behind on medical info for top prospects

2:25

duder: How realistic is for the Braves to go with Austin Riley at 3B next year? Or do you see him going to LF or being trade bait?

2:27

Kiley McDaniel: Mentioned on the last podcast when we talked about this (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-audio-presents-the-untitled-…) that having Dansby/Camargo/Riley for SS and 3B means that if they all hit at once, you can move one (either Riley to RF or Camargo to super utility, most likely)

2:29

Kiley McDaniel: Going back to the Giants GM discussion now that I see this MLBTR report: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/the-giants-gm-search.html

2:29

Kiley McDaniel: I’d guess (you could dispute any one of these) that Sawdaye/Arnold/Bloom/Stearns/Elias would all be in the progressive pool, McLeod/Byrnes/Ng probably more moderate/blend pool

2:30

duder: Do you have any aspirations to return to work inside baseball? What kind of situation would it take to bring you back into it?

2:30

Kiley McDaniel: Sure, in the right situation, but that situation is much more specific now than it was last time. Don’t think it will come along for a little while at least.

2:30

Rocket man: Pick a  19/20 year olds  to shoot thru  the minors and  called up to majors next year?

2:31

Kiley McDaniel: Well Vlad, Tatis and Royce are all 19 right now and, in that order, could/will be in the bigs soon. Wander Franco as a 17 year old is the real longshot https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board

2:33

Fritz Ferter: Which player draws a better return, Paxton, segura, or Diaz?

2:33

Kiley McDaniel: Did a whole ranking of this in July. I actually had Haniger over the group then, but those four are all pretty close https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018-trade-value-1-to-10/

2:34

Joser: What teams are doing the coolest, ‘you wouldn’t believe me if I told you’ stuff with the minors and player development?

2:36

Kiley McDaniel: I actually talked to some guys this week that are really on top of this stuff and we tried to make a list of the teams that are clearly doing a good job, really making progress, more good than bad, etc. and we came up with like 6 teams? Trying to recall the list, but LAD, NYY, CLE, MIL, SD, HOU (notice a trend?) were all on there. Just as many are clearly doing poorly and I’d say more than 5 are in the middle of a concerted effort to overhaul (like double digit personnel changes) what they have to catch up with that top group

2:37

Kiley McDaniel: Trust me, GMs that aren’t running one of those top 5-6 or however many teams are in the top tier are acutely aware that they are behind and most of them are actively trying to get there. Some are still in denial, but not that many.

2:38

Jason: I’m just curious what you think of the recent trend of pulling starters earlier and earlier? Do you think this is a change that has been a long time coming, or do you think it is more so a reflection of the offensive/pitching talent at this point with hitters possibly becoming smarter and pitchers seemingly falling more and more into only 2 pitch guys (though maybe it’s always been like that with pitching being hard)?

2:39

Kiley McDaniel: To me, it’s like you’ve been playing some board game with your friends forever, then you all find some game theory analysis (lets’ say of Monopoly) with all the odds and it points to a clear best way to play the game. You’re all going to lean that way and maybe the game is less fun since there’s less variance in strategies but in reality its the same game, you’re just forced to be better/more creative with a sharper focus, since everyone is doing similar stuff.

2:41

Kiley McDaniel: Now imagine that four of you are playing and one guy thinks all those odds things are stupid. He might win sometimes, especially if it’s a game that takes 20 minutes and he gets lucky, but eventually he’s going to be the clear loser of the group. I’m analytical in how I do stuff like that, so finding the best edge and best implementation and folding in reading people on top of that is interesting to me, but I totally get that maybe an older guy that’s played Monopoly one way for 30 years thinks this is all dumb and hates how the game is played now. Doesn’t make it the wrong strategy, he just needs to play with other people that play like him and he’ll probably like it again. Winning tends to fix things.

2:42

Kiley McDaniel: Tying it back to your question, there’s more prep materials and players are getting bigger and more talented so eventually, with steroids off the table, strategy is where everyone goes to get an edge. This was inevitable.

2:42

duder: How much sharing of Milb Trackman Data is there in baseball? Do you see it ever being available to the public?

2:44

Kiley McDaniel: Like 95% of stadiums have it and all the teams essentially get all of the info from every stadium (except the DSL), practically speaking. Teams pay six figures a year for the data so unless MLB wants to foot the seven figure a year bill for all 30 teams and make it public, I can’t imagine it ever does. There’s a chance MLB puts statcast in minor league parks but I don’t think that’s coming anytime soon.

2:44

SAL fan: is there any concern with Kelenic that he may have a Rutherfordish trajectory?   I recall Blake being a pretty polished old-for-his class bat that did very well in the Appy, and then struggled since.

2:45

Kiley McDaniel: Rutherford was a tweener guy that lost a step and became a corner guy and Kelenic is a CF that could possibly lose a step, but seems less likely to do that given his build. He’s also not as old as BR was and was generally seen as having a slightly superior combo of tools and performance, but they are in the same ballpark

2:46

Kiley McDaniel: I also think Kelenic has a little better game power potential in his swing than Rutherford does even now

2:47

Adam Henderson: Hi Kiley, this is a specific question on Wander Franco. I have read many reports on his feats at his age but can you give me an insight on his tools and how he might be this advanced at this age and with the influx of impactful youth from D.R. do we need to set the bar higher on J2 signees?

2:49

Kiley McDaniel: Franco is one of the rare kids that was clearly the best in his age group at like 14 and further is one of the rare ones to still be the best at 17. The tool grades are wacky, something like 70 hit, future 60 raw, 60-70 run, can probably be a 50 at SS, 60 arm

2:49

Kiley McDaniel: The list of guys that are super elite at 14 and perform at a super elite level in the pros at 17 is reaaaaaly short. Vlad Jr. is another one. These are just rare, every 5-10 year prospects that happen to be in a glut right now

2:51

Kiley McDaniel: Juan Soto got the 21st highest bonus in his class, he doesn’t even qualify for this and neither does Tatis Jr.

2:51

Frank Lyman from Amherst: Is the Pads system really really good or just really good?

2:51

Kiley McDaniel: Pretty sure it’s #1 right now, but I’ll have a better answer soon

2:51

James: Jeff Fletcher said that Suarez and Marsh could get the conversation going for Realmuto, does that sound reasonable or is that way too light?

2:53

Kiley McDaniel: Just those two is very light. Archer didn’t make the top 50 trade value rankings this year and Realmuto was in the 20’s I believe. Glasnow/Meadows/Baz may not get Realmuto, although today, maybe it would.

2:53

Hinkie: Have you heard anything on Yusei Kikuchi?  Is he more likely to sign with a west coast team?  What kind of contract can he expect?

2:53

Kiley McDaniel: I’m thinking 4 years, 10-15M area, but probably the lower end of that scale given there’s a posting fee

2:54

Mike: I just traded Jacob Nottingham for Ross Stripling in my dynasty league. Did I do well?

2:54

Kiley McDaniel: That’s a really deep league

2:55

Dan: If Riley Greene hits enough in the spring, can he be a top 5 pick or will the defensive profile limit him? For comparison’s sake, was Kyle Tucker seen as a future corner outfielder at the time of the draft?

2:55

Kiley McDaniel: Tucker was seen that way, Greene is comparable but not quite as loose at the plate. I would guess 6-10 for Greene, but right around there.

2:55

Ryan: Buy or Sell: We will see a HS Righty Pitcher go 1-1 within the next 10 years

2:55

Kiley McDaniel: Sell

2:56

Eminor3rd: I heard you guys mention Dennis Sarfate on one of your recent podcasts. Idk if it’s terribly interesting, but: He isn’t coming over. He just had a legendary season last year and was given a three year contract by Fukuoka. In interviews, he mentioned that he had weighed taking one more stab at the MLB or staying in the NPB, knowing he only had one more contract in him, and chose the NPB. I could be wrong but I think I remember they’re paying him like ~$3mm per year, which is a lot for a foreign RP. He’s very popular. Also, he missed most of this past season with a pretty serious hip injury. He is expected to be ready to go for the start of the 2019 season. His nickname is “King of Closer” which is not a typo. They don’t put an S at the end of “closer.” The fans have banners and merchandise that say it. It’s great.

2:56

Kiley McDaniel: Well there ya go, one less guy throwing 100 in the big leagues

2:57

Kimbrel Questioner: What value would it take to aquire Edwin Diaz? Groome + Chavis? Asking for a friend.

2:57

Kiley McDaniel: Way more than that. For reference, Archer and Diaz were pretty close on the trade value list, both just missing it.

2:57

Rick Hahn: Rutschman or Baylor catcher better pick?  We need a great catcher.

2:57

Kiley McDaniel: Rutschman by a good margin right no

2:58

explain: what’s the best way to go about looking for a job at the winter meetings? is there any particular person within an org (dir of baseball ops, farm director, etc) you should target? and is there a less anxiety-provoking way than simply approaching them while they’re mingling in a group of people?

2:58

Kiley McDaniel: email them ahead of time and try to find the person that’s running the interviews/hiring for the intern jobs that are open

2:58

explain: would an asst GM/farm director be impressed if you approached them and said you were capable of giving a one-paragraph synopsis of each of the team’s top 50 prospects (off the top of your head, of course)?

2:58

Kiley McDaniel: not really

3:00

Roger: What good does an MLB pitching coach do? Do teams generally aim for a philosophy for all of their pitchers vs. focusing on the strengths and weaknesses of each one? (Thinking of Chuck Hernandez and some of the criticisms I’ve read within the Braves’ fans community.)

3:02

Kiley McDaniel: MLB hitting/pitching coaches are much more psychologist/babysitter/ego manager/confidence builder, etc. than they are mechanical change artists that are tweaking half the roster at the same time. Players often handle that stuff themselves and ask coaches/video guys for help at times. Players that are performing pretty well generally get left alone and want to be left alone

3:02

Mike: Are there any other notable int’l FAs besides the Mesas and Sandy Gaston? The Red Sox traded for more space on signing day and still have about about 1 million left in space (and could trade up for even more). Do you think that will go unused?

3:03

Kiley McDaniel: It won’t go unused, but just spent of a bunch of 50K to 500K types that we generally haven’t heard of because they’re late-peaking 17-19 year olds or just lower profile 16 year olds. More on that here: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-the-mesa-gaston-workout/

3:04

Ybored at work: CJ Cron had 30 HR and 122 wRC+ last year and probably has no trade value whatsoever. How can that be?

3:04

Kiley McDaniel: R/R 1B/DH coming off a career year, generally peak early, get paid in arb more than they do in the open market in many cases…not a good type of player to be

3:04

Kiley McDaniel: well, right now. maybe that will change

3:05

RickDickNick: Going forward, is Tyler O’Neil regular corner OF, or a bench-bat with power?

3:05

Kiley McDaniel: He was top 100 for us, comfortably, for the last 12 months at least

3:05

Kiley McDaniel: so, regular

3:05

Kiley McDaniel: maybe well above average

3:05

Andrew: I know the draft is 8 months away, but is Rutschmann more of Bryce Harper prohibitive favorite to go 1-1 or more like a Brady Singer that could easily fall?

3:05

Kiley McDaniel: Between Singer and Harper in terms of consensus-ness and odds he’ll fall

3:06

Kiley McDaniel: Singer was one of the lowest-rated consensus preseason #1s

3:06

JB: are teams now looking to hire scouts who *are* fluent in the exit velo and spin rate data?

3:07

Kiley McDaniel: Eh, again, teams don’t really want scouts to write reports where they mix in their own data analysis, but knowing that a scout won’t discount it and likely will be young/cheap if he/she is into data, then yes, they will hire you

3:07

Blue Jay Matt: Is Kelly Johnson a good comp for Cavan Biggio’s upside or do you see more or less?

3:08

Kiley McDaniel: Eh, somewhere around there, one of the many versions of Kelly Johnson

3:08

LPFan: What other characteristics can make a prospect with 90 mph FB successful in big leagues today? Do you think not throwing hard from onset helps his career longevity or in-season durability?

3:08

Kiley McDaniel: plus change, plus command seems like a minimum to be successful and hang around, probably even more than that

3:09

Jay: Do scouts/sources on teams try to pitch public prospect people to mislead other teams about prospects or draftees?

3:11

Kiley McDaniel: yeah but Eric and I have been at this long enough that we know which ones do that and generally don’t talk to them. Some execs see the media as an adversary (don’t answer, which is fine, I judge that as a neutral) and/or something to be conquered into doing your bidding (answer only when they have something to push, and only give that) and we have no time for that. multiple GMs fit this description, by the way.

3:11

Brian: If a “smart” team like the Dodgers, Yankees or Astros call and ask about a player in a trade, should that change how the other team views that player? In other words, when will the Reds stop answering the Dodgers calls?

3:13

Kiley McDaniel: I know a “smart” team that asked a less “smart” team about a random, seemingly generic reliever like 5+ years ago, a youngish AAA/MLB shuttle type that even fans of that team probably didn’t care about. The less “smart” team was like wait a minute why do you want him and refused to trade him just on that basis. The team kept him and he went from generic into a legit contributor, was later traded for by multiple “smart” teams when he got expensive in arb. Original “smart” team never got him.

3:14

mark: A while back someone (I think you did) mentioned that the Yankees are doing something different to get more velocity out of pitchers but you (they) couldn’t figure out what?  Have you figured it out? (a yes or no is fine if you can’t disclose specifics)

3:14

Kiley McDaniel: I’m not even sure its one crazy trick and I’m pretty sure it isn’t. I think it’s just the residue of a good process on scouting and development

3:14

Pickle Nick: Do teams keep data on scouts’ or cross-checkers success rates in finding amateur players? It seems like it would be a useful thing during the hiring process, to know about if you’re gonna poach a scouting talent.

3:16

Kiley McDaniel: Discuss this periodically but it turns out it takes multiple contracts (most scouts are on 1-year deals, maybe 2) to determine if the scout was good in his first year and you’ve already promoted/resigned him multiple times at that point and maybe he sucked his first year but now he’s goot and you need to wait 5 more years to find out if that’s right…it’s just not feasible in an empirical way. Anecdotally keeping track of if lists seem good a year or two later, or the process, communication, etc. is much easier and is what the industry has been doing for awhile

3:16

mark: Can you shed some light on the trade discussions that happen when prospects are involved?  Is there a back and forth involving grades on tolls, and FV and the like?

3:17

Kiley McDaniel: It’s usually just yes/no on a group of names until both sides figure out “oh it’s this tier of prospect and they think these couple guys are better/worse than we do”

3:17

Bobby Bradley’s 40-time: Does Kowar have middle of the rotation stuff if the breaker or command gets to average?

3:18

Kiley McDaniel: Yeah, probably, but that’s been the issue for over 2 years now

3:19

Ken Lay: if Wander Franco meets all of those tool grades, would he be a 70+ overall? Or even more?

3:19

Kiley McDaniel: yeah, would fall in that 65 to 70 FV area as a prospect, could work into 80 FV like Acuna, Soto, Judge and some others have shown pretty quickly in MLB career

3:19

Davoink Showerhandel: Would you speak on Nick Madrigal’s power potential?  His power production in the minors was non-existent, but I think that might be effected by his hand/wrist injury, exhaustion from the college season, etc.  Realize he’s not gonna be a masher, but can he do a .150 ISO in the majors in the future?

3:20

Kiley McDaniel: He’s a 40 raw power guy that could grow into 45 with maturation, health, better balls/bat, etc

3:20

Kiley McDaniel: has bat control to turn 45 raw into 50 game, which is 15-18 homers. I wouldn’t expect that, but it’s on the table

3:20

RunawaYEM: Would you give up Cristian Pache as a headliner for for Realmuto?  What type of package from ATL would it take?

3:20

Kiley McDaniel: I would not, you could put a pretty solid three prospect group together without having to include him

3:21

Ken Lay: Would an asst GM/farm director be impressed if I threw a shuriken over their head at 110+ mph, in turn, pinning my business card to the wall?

3:21

Kiley McDaniel: That would turn some heads, yes

3:21

Ken Lay: do you see a lot of burnout in baseball ops? From what I understand (please correct me as necessary), the pay is low and the hours are long for entry positions, so I’m guessing a fair number of people may overestimate their love of the game?

3:23

Kiley McDaniel: YEP, although some people worked so hard to get that entry level gig that they’re in denial about their lifestyle/chances for advancement, general position in life. There aren’t a bunch of people quitting in their 20s but a decent amount leave when that clearly more lucrative/more time off sort of job comes along

3:23

Jamie Ryan: what’s the average pay of a first-year scout?  are they at all reimbursed for travel expenses?

3:24

Kiley McDaniel: Depends, but full time scout like 45-50K and all expenses and benefits and pretty sweet travel points, too. Often you have to intern or part-time or hybrid roles a year or two to get the full gig and those are like 15-25K depending on the situation

3:24

Davoink Showerhandel: When you say a player, like Cron, is a R/R guy, does the throwing “R” matter?  I wouldn’t think a R/L would have any less value than a R/R

3:24

Kiley McDaniel: Throwing lefty is a little better at 1B, but not a huge deal

3:25

Kiley McDaniel: Scouts always verbally talk about that kind of player as “right-right” so that’s usually how we write it, too. 2 syllables is about the shortest wait to say right handed hitter

3:25

Slothrop: Do you have to pay for your own travel

3:25

Kiley McDaniel: The dark overlord picks up those costs

3:25

NA: How do fv grades handle extreme platoon splits with hitters?

3:26

Kiley McDaniel: we round down some if the guy, like a LHH 1B that we think is platoon only unless he’s like 60 hit/power, looks like he’s overwhelming likely to be only a platoon player as that limits the upside

3:26

Kiley McDaniel: Nate Lowe comes to mind as a version of that

3:27

Kiley McDaniel: Jake Bauers wasn’t since he can also play a solid RF, above average 1B and is seen as a better hit tool guy and not a slam dunk platooner

3:27

Kiley McDaniel: platoon isn’t as important if there’s secondary skills, like Coco Crisp. may eventually apply to Corey Ray

3:27

LudeBurger: Oh, Kiley you’re so fine, you blow my mind, hey Kiley!

3:27

Kiley McDaniel: oh no we’re there already

3:27

Dusty: WANDER JAVIER!

3:27

Kiley McDaniel: the only acceptable place for a Wander Javier mention

3:27

Kiley McDaniel: See you guys next week!

Eric Longenhagen Chat: 10/18/18

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2:01
Eric A Longenhagen: Hey there, everyone. Time to chat.
2:01
RS: Giants catcher in the AFL, Matt Winn, profile good enough to be a major league backup?
2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: Several caveats when evaluating AFL catchers: they’re probably tired, they’re catching a whole new staff of guys, they’re catching once or twice a week. So the error bar around evals of catchers here is greater. Having said that, I’d answer your question with a ‘no’
2:03
Jay: Should the A’s let Lowrie walk and give Barreto a shot at 2B, or trade Barreto for pitching?
2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d hold onto Barreto
2:03
Pip: Who’s the better prospect moving forward, the National’s, or the Phillies’ Luis Garcia?

2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: Philly
2:03
Tom: Your thoughts on Lenny Torres?  Obviously long ways away. But was he the best arm in the AZL?
2:04
Eric A Longenhagen: Fastball command is below-average but his slider command is already above. He can spot that thing in an enticing but untouchable location pretty consistently. Best AZL arm? Sure, I don’t think anyone had the stuff/chance to start combo he did here this summer.
2:05
Ryan: What do you think of Darwinzon Hernandez’s prospects as a major-leaguer?
2:05
Eric A Longenhagen: Lefties with that kind of stuff are going to be big leaguers. I think Hernandez probably ends up in relief.
2:05
Will H.: In your professional opinion, what are the pros and cons of scouting video as opposed to live action?
2:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Several. An entire dimension is missing on video, limited depth of field, etc. Teams have more sophisticated equipment than I do, of course, and they can supplement video with color from data.
2:06
Ben: What is Gabriel Arias’ ceiling with the bat and how likely is he to reach it?
2:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Plus SS with some power. Maybe 33-40% he gets there.
2:06
Pip: Seems like the Nats position players in the AFL have struggled so far. Do you think this is mostly a result of them being “raw” and less polished, or are they truly being overmatched by better competition?
2:08
Eric A Longenhagen: I’m not worried about Kieboom or Johnson (though I acknowledge Johnson may be limited) struggling (if they are, AFL stats aren’t worth fretting over, good or bad) but haven’t been smitten by the others from WSH who are here.
2:08
Trent: The Red Sox have control of Bogaerts for one more year.  Is there anyone in their system who could conceivably play SS in 2020 (e.g., CJ Chatham)?  Or should they be looking for free-agent or trade targets?
2:09
Eric A Longenhagen: You have the only name one could reasonably expect to be an internal option by 2020
2:09
David: Due to the small sample size, sounds like AFL has a fairly minimal impact on the Prospect evaluations.  Is there anyone who is looking like they may see a more significant improvement in their outlook? Rays and Mariners both seem to have lower evaluated hitters who are performing well.
2:11
Eric A Longenhagen: The statistical sample is small, noisy and meaningless but the eyeball scouting sample is not. Again, ditch the AFL stats. I’ll say I’ve liked what I’ve seen from McCarthy, Fox and Evan White of the clubs you’ve mentioned, though.
2:11
Other Eric: Eric, I’m looking for an update on Garrett Cooper. Projections for 2019? His trackman readouts should make him a must buy low candidate.
2:12
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, I think he’s a sneaky late-bloomer candidate.
2:12
Anthony: Has anyone in Fall League (beyond Whitley and Vlad) stood out to you so far?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Sure, Trammell looks as expected (which is good), Abraham Toro-Hernandez and Luis Barrera have been terrific. Lots of guys, it’s a great league.
2:13
Tommy N.: What would a feasible trade for Thor look like from the Padres’ side?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: I don’t think the Mets properly scout the parts of SD’s system that SD would want to deal from in such a trade
2:14
Pip: It seems to me that Carter Kieboom is likely a high floor, player, with a fairly low ceiling. Does hitting .280 with 30 2B, 20 HR and 10 SB seem like a reasonable expectation for a “peek” season?
2:14
Eric A Longenhagen: That seems like a pretty high ceiling season for a SS, and yeah that’s what we think he’s capable of.
2:14
Ben: Have you seen Nate Pearson at all in AFL this year? How did he look? Still have ace potential for you?
2:14
Eric A Longenhagen: Not yet. ‘Ace potential’ isn’t really something I toss around, more something that has to be proven for 3-4 years in the Majors for me.
2:14
Mike: Is there anything to Nick Heath other than a hot week in the AFL and a solid walk rate this year? Looks like he has zero power.
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: 80 body, 80 run, instincts on the bases. You’re right, there’s not in-game power there.
2:15
EL: Any chance both Ramos and Bart will be ready before the end of 2020?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Bart could handle a big league staff right now but would struggle to make contact. I bet you see him before you see Ramos.
2:15
Tumbler, Whiskey: Are peanut butter-filled pretzels a 70-grade snack?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: 45
2:15
Anthony: Did you see Robinson Ortiz at all in the AZL? I know you liked him last year.
2:16
Eric A Longenhagen: Yup, low-90s, up to 94, long arm swing and the ball sails off to his arm side a lot. Future plus change, average breaker. Ability to throw strikes is in question. Still like him but think I’d take Carrillo instead of him at this point.
2:16
Danny: What should we make of Marlins RHP Jordan Yamamoto? He has put up huge numbers past two seasons with lots of swing-and-miss, and is rolling in AFL.
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: 87-89 with a plus 12-6 hook and an average mid-80s cutter/slider thing. He’s okay, but I wonder how that fastball will play against big league hitters.
2:17
Chaz: When something in baseball happens that causes some miserable agonizing, like the fan interference call last night, don’t you think the press should dedicate its best expert on miserable agonizing to that story? (And don’t you think that person is categorically Carson Cistulli?)
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: No because then we’re gatekeeping, collectively.
2:17
Christian: Who has the brighter future: JP Crawford or Scott Kingery?
2:18
Eric A Longenhagen: I’ll say Kingery.
2:18
Tyler: Who is the most likely long-term solution at third base for Atlanta: Camargo, Riley, or Machado?
2:18
Eric A Longenhagen: Riley
2:19
Anthony: Are there things to look for when projecting a pitch beyond what that pitcher has actually flashed? Like, if a pitcher doesn’t currently have a slider, are there things in the arm action or profile that would allow you to project him being able to add one?
2:19
Eric A Longenhagen: An ability to spin the baseball, even if the release doesn’t create an effective spin axis right now.
2:19
Morgan: If the Diamondbacks decide to rebuild, is David Peralta a good fit for Atlanta?  He seems to be a solid choice to fill-in for Markakis, and with two years of control, he could likely do so until Pache is MLB-ready.
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, that makes some sense.
2:20
Scott of Lincolnshire: Eric!  How’d Justin Steele look?
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: Meh. 90-93, average curveball, below control.
2:20
Ben: I just moved back to Iowa after spending a long time in cities with professional franchises and am missing live baseball. Any recommended prospects to see in Cedar Rapids or the Quad Cities next year?
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: Have to wait and see who is assigned there in March, but I say go regardless.
2:21
SBL Draft 2018: Hi Eric, Top prospect catchers crystal ball: Who will be MLB solid regular, Danny Jansen, Will Smith, Sean Murphy, MJ Melandez and Ronaldo Hernandez?
2:21
Eric A Longenhagen: I like all of those guys
2:21
Lilith: Debby Santana opinions? Is he a future 1B? Should Reds fans be getting excited for this kid yet?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Plus bat speed but very stiff, upright lower half. Plus arm, he’s good at 3B for me. Think he has some adjustments to make in order to keep hitting but the foundation of physical ability to pretty good.
2:22
Mark: With his performance since his call up, are you more optimistic on the FV for Josh James? Is there more leash in grading his command because he’s only possessed this type of stuff for such a short period of time?
2:23
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s what, a 40+ on The Board right now? I suppose we might 45 him this offseason as a premium/multi-inning relief option.
2:23
Lilith: Do you think Bobby Witt Jr is going to see his stock fall due to age and prospect fatigue a-la Blake Rutherford?
2:23
Eric A Longenhagen: The age thing will move the needle for some teams. If anything else, I think his contact issues will ultimately play a role.
2:23
Roger: I don’t understand a lot of the lingo used to describe pitches. Do you know anywhere I can find a handy glossary on the interwebs? Like, what’s a “heavy” FB? What’s a “firm” change? Some of it seems intuitive, but that’s assuming my intuition is worth anything.
2:24
Eric A Longenhagen: Working on this stuff as part of our offseason list primer
2:24
Preston: Any updates on the Jays scouting turnover and any other teams expected to go through the same? And are these teams following the Astros model?
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: Not sure. They haven’t made new hires that I know about (there’d probably be a press release if it happened) and I haven’t heard that they’re Stro’ing, but they’d be on the short list of teams I’d expect to consider it.
2:25
Kyle: I know you’re not a fantasy writer, but what do you see as likely offensive upside for Christian Pache?  .280 with 18 HR and 25 steals too much to ask?
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: Don’t think there’s going to be that kind of pop
2:25
Mark: Are you concerned at all about Peter Alonso’s bat speed and whether he’ll be able to hit major league pitching. How much AJ Reed risk is there here?
2:27
Eric A Longenhagen: Don’t think there’s a bat speed issue. He reloads his hands (they start at his right pec, go back and then go up and back again before they fire forward) which I think might make him late on some stuff, but he’s so strong that he’s going to misshit balls out the opposite way like that. He did it twice on Tuesday.
2:27
Logan: Any reports on Pache so far in the AFL, especially about his swing?
2:28
Eric A Longenhagen: It’s sweepy but workable.
2:28
Jay: Going to an AFL game tomorrow in Mesa! Any tips for having a good time? Players to watch? (Glendale vs Mesa)
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s where I’ll be manana. Not sure who’ll be in the lineups. Mesa Riverview has some good spots to eat/drink pre/post game and it’s nearby. I’d skip the ballpark food.
2:29
Logan: How has Muller’s velocity looked so far in his AFL appearances?
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: t94, mostly 91-93
2:30
Logan: Have you heard any update on the Carter Stewart grievance against the Braves?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: Nope
2:30
Slurve: If you could only look at one stat to evaluate a pitcher, what would that stat be? Why?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: K%, it’s a distillation of stuff
2:31
Slurve: How often are top scouts hired away from other teams – or is that generally frowned upon as some sort of unwritten rule?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: If it’s for a promotion it isn’t frowned upon at all
2:32
Kyle: what do you see as Sheffield’s future?  I feel like some are a little down on him based on how he looked in a few relief innings.  can he be a #2 starter?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: Justus? He got so bulky and his command backed up to a point where I, too, am a little down. #2 is too much for me.
2:32
Derrick: Do you see Julio Urias eventually actually establishing himself as 1-2 big league starter? What do you see for Anderson Espinoza and Yadier Alvarez?
2:33
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d guess Urias hovers in the #3-#3/4 range if everything comes back to pre-injury form (including his command). Espinoza has that kind of stuff, too. Yadi….who knows. That guy has other issues right now.
2:33
Andy: Can scouts ‘see’ spin rate?  Is there any way to tell if someone has a so called disappearing fastball?  Beyond not being fast and still fooling hitters.
2:35
Eric A Longenhagen: Kinda sorta? I don’t think a scout would be able to say “that curveball spun in at about 2200rpm” but I bet they’d put a 50 on that curveball. I think the fastball phenomenon you’re describing has measurable components (extension being the biggest one)
2:35
Slurve: What will be the most commonly-used 5×5 Pitching categories in 20 years?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Whiffs per Pitch, Climate-Adjusted Sweat Volume (in quarts), Bat Flips Allowed, $/WAR generated per team owner, Hitters Killed
2:39
Xam: Vogey’s Statcast data looks promising, although it’s a very small sample. Still: shouldn’t Seattle be looking to give him a shot and see what happens?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Maybe in a Healy platoon, sure
2:39
Slurve: Does a Robles, Soto, Harper OF have any competition given age, hype, and accomplishments?
2:40
Eric A Longenhagen: Uhhh, I can’t think of one with that combo of youth/performance/hyp
2:40
Ozzie Ozzie Albies Free: Has there been any update on that guy who took a rocket to the dome from Vlad?
2:40
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s okay. That was a scary moment.
2:40
Andy: New Live-Action Aladdin.  Will Smith as the Genie.  Thoughts?
2:42
Eric A Longenhagen: No idea. Just watched the trailer and learned very little. I’ll guess it’s a 50.
2:42
Wally: Do you think a Carson Kelly can still be a starting C for a playoff team?
2:43
Eric A Longenhagen: Sure but I don’t think he’s going to make an offensive impact
2:43
Johnny Coconuts: Is there even a 70 grade snack out there?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: Depends on how you define snack, I guess. Give me cheese, some kind of cured meat and a bread thing and that’s a 70.
2:44
James: Is Forrest Whitley big league ready?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: I think he’d be fine in a one or two-inning capacity right now
2:44
Derrick: How important is player development? Do you think some styles suppress big league talent? Or a “big leaguer” will make it in any org?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: I think it’s a huge way teams separate from one another right now
2:45
TJ: What do you see the reds doing this off-season? Trading Votto and/or Scooter to accumulate prospects? Or sticking with their offensive core and trying to improve the pitching staff?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: The latter
2:46
Ricky: What do you like about Evan White in the AFL? Is he different then when you scouted him in college?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Minor swing adjustments have made a huge difference in his ability to go down and scoop/lift pitches in the bottom of the zone.
2:46
Josh R: Of Brandon Woodruff, Freddy Peralta, and Corbin Burnes, who makes the best starter, and which ones will be in next year’s rotation?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Burnes and yes
2:46
Mikey: I know there is still time, but early guesses on how the 2019 draft class compares to recent years?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Big hitter depth, very little pitching
2:47
Josh R: Off of prospects just a bit. Isn’t the real question with the interference in Houston last night not if Betts WOULD have caught it, but if the fan prevented him from having the CHANCE to catch it?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: I thought a fan clearly made physical contact with him in a way that impeded his ability to make the play
2:49
Logan: Can you elaborate just slightly on a “sweepy” swing?
2:50
Eric A Longenhagen: Kinda long, with a gentle downward angle for much of its distance in the hitting zone
2:51
nb: Hey Eric, Hope you’re enjoying the Fall League.  AFL participant:  Monte Harrison.  SSS but only 2 K’s in 22 AB’s!  Has he changed anything that you can see.  Instructional participant:  Xavier Edwards.  Just wondering about your thoughts on him.  Thanks!
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: Have only seen Monte once so far so have to ask you bug me about him again in a future chat. I like X man but think he’s a 2B. plus-plus run, feel to hit, self-aware of his skills and limitations
2:51
DJ Tanner: Any word on Alex Reyes? Cards still projecting him to start or will they just put him to the bullpen?
2:52
Eric A Longenhagen: Starts a throwing program soon, still think you try to make him a traditional 200-inning starter
2:52
Andrew: What kind of package would SD look for in dealing Wil Myers? Could be another fit to replace Markakis in ATL…
2:52
Eric A Longenhagen: Yup, that’s another good target for ATL and a good fit for SD to trade for a prospect more in line with their competitive timeline
2:53
Stop the Chop: Would an offer of Gohara, Allard, Wilson, and Waters be enough for Realmuto?
2:53
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d do that if I were MIA
2:53
James: How does Jam Jones look at 2B?
2:53
Eric A Longenhagen: 4 hands, 5 arm. Still a work in progress
2:54
Frank Lyman from Amherst: “I don’t think the Mets properly scout the parts of SD’s system that SD would want to deal from in such a trade”  um what the heck does that mean??
2:54
Eric A Longenhagen: It means the Mets don’t scout the lowest levels of the minors where a lot of SD’s desirable talent was located.
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: Why do you think the Mets get back a lot of A-ball relievers in trades? When’s the last time they acquired a prospect beneath full-season ball?
2:56
D: How much faith should Tigers fans have in the current front office’s ability to turn it around? Would you grade the rebuild a success so far?
2:56
Eric A Longenhagen: I think they have a strong collection of minor league talent and it’s just about them actualizing it via good player dev.
2:57
Rick C: Do you think Pache is too aggressively ranked on the board? As a Braves fan, I think 18 is crazy.
2:58
Eric A Longenhagen: If you buy that he’s going to play elite CF defense (we do) then he doesn’t have to do much with the bat to be a 60. just peep Inciarte’s #’s this year
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: Have seen him twice: 93-97 t98 with big downhill plane, plus-plus changeup in the low-80s with vertical action. 11-5 curveball is a 60, slider and cutter each flash 60. Doesn’t have surgical command but he locates his stuff in general ares where they’ll play (the cutter is always to his glove side and when it misses, it misses off the plate away where he can’t get hurt, etc.) He has monster stuff.
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: WHoops —>
3:00
Pie: Apologies if you’ve already written it up, but do have you seen any of Whitley’s appearances in the Fall League?
3:00
Charles: Roughly where would Adley Rutschman rank on an MLB top 100 right now? Is FV for draft prospects any different than it is for MLB prospects?
3:01
Eric A Longenhagen: It’s the same, you can slot him in that 55 FV tier on the board as that’d be his range right now
3:01
Lyle: How would you compare the offensive upsides of Ronny Mauricio, and Wenceel Perez?
3:01
Eric A Longenhagen: Mauricio’s frame gives him a chance to grow into a ton of raw power
3:01
Xavier: What holds back Adrian Morejon from being a 55? Seems to have the stuff, so I’d have to guess proximity to the Majors and injury history?
3:02
Eric A Longenhagen: The injury history and that we don’t think the fastball plays at it’s velo because he’s a small, short-strider.
3:02
D: When should we look for a farm system ranking?
3:03
Eric A Longenhagen: When we’ve updated our opinions of each prospect this offseason and have asset values for each FV tier and can mix each teams’ collective farm system value that way.
3:03
Pie: When will The Untitled McDongenhagen Project be Titled?
3:03
Eric A Longenhagen: I think we’re just gonna call it UMP
3:04
Eric A Longenhagen: Okay, that’s my time. Thanks for coming again this week. Hope you’re enjoying the playoffs. See you next Thursday.
3:05
Eric A Longenhagen: Oh and, NA, hang in there bud.

FanGraphs Audio Presents: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Ep. 5

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UMP: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Episode 5
This is the fifth episode of a weekly program co-hosted by Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel about player evaluation in all its forms. The show, which is available through the normal FanGraphs Audio feed, has a working name but barely. The show is not all prospect stuff, but there is plenty of that, as the hosts are Prospect Men. Below are some timestamps to make listening and navigation easier.

0:23 – What games Eric and Kiley have seen lately: Arizona Fall League and the Diamond Club showcase for Florida high school prospects, featuring a Tyler Callihan update.

2:19 – TOPIC ONE: Yahoo’s Jeff Passan joins us to talk about the Astros cheating scandal and its many facets.

7:15 – Eric reviews the Chinese phone the Astros were using, which should be called the fruit calorie counting machine.

14:50 – Jeff inquires about the status of Kiley’s backyard and dog while Eric reveals how revealing he currently is.

23:08 – We lose Jeff due to technology, and he returns via a time jump, feat. flight attendant announcements.

24:30 – Jeff reveals who is more petty than him, but only by a small margin.

25:23 – Jeff’s antisocial plane tips.

26:54 – A mini topic about Manny Machado’s playoff behavior affecting his free agent market.

29:00 – A mini topic about the Luke Heimlich/Dayton Moore connection living on.

32:48 – TOPIC TWO: How we would put together a scouting department in today’s baseball.

33:56 – Options for structuring the pro scouting department.

34:50 – The biggest factor we don’t have access to: minor league TrackMan.

36:25 – Pros and cons of the different pro scouting department structures.

38:12 – How Eric would structure his pro department.

38:58 – Something to keep in mind in terms of allocating scout days on the amateur side.

40:15 – Kiley jumps in to ask about DSL coverage.

41:39 – Introducing the concept of dynamic pro coverage.

44:00 – Kiley jumps in again to clarify the pyramid of scout experience/assignments.

46:05 – What sorts of scouts can beat the TrackMan data at projecting prospects in the upper levels?

49:10 – When are the robots coming for us?

52:20 – The structural question the guys aren’t sure about

55:46 – TOPIC THREE: The saga of Barbecue Yee with Jake Mintz of Cespedes Family BBQ

56:16 – Jake makes the worst pun in the history of the podcast.

1:00:53 – Jake and Kiley laugh uncontrollably for the first time.

1:03:40 – Is varsity baseball a constitutionally protected right? You heard me right.

1:07:50 – Jake’s first great free idea for the Yee family.

1:16:26 – Jake’s second great free idea for the Yee family.

1:20:09 – The best outtakes portion we’ve ever had.

Don’t hesitate to direct pod-related correspondence to @kileymcd or @longenhagen on Twitter or at prospects@fangraphs.com.

You can subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or other feeder things.

Audio after the jump. (Approximately 1 hr 22 min play time.)

Here’s Who Will Win the Next Five World Series

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Pending a healthy return, Corey Seager will resume his role at the heart of the Dodgers’ roster.
(Photo: Arturo Pardavila III)

On a recent podcast episode, Eric Longenhangen and I discussed the premise for this article, which is another way of asking which organizations are healthiest in the short-to-medium term. The factor that goes furthest towards answering that question is present on-field talent, although salary, controlled years, the presence of impact minor leaguers on the horizon, and front-office quality are all relevant — as is payroll ceiling, which serves as a proxy for margin for error. With the World Series starting tonight, it seemed like the right time to look ahead at the favorites for the five World Series beyond this one.

I’ve experimented with some objective ways of measuring organizational health. I think it’s ultimately possible to produce an algorithm that would do a solid job, ranking teams objectively in a number of key categories. It would also require considerable time. Eager to arrive at some kind of answer, I’ve settled for subjective assessment for this version of the post, but I intend to work on something more systematic in the winter.

Here are the criteria I’ve considered to produce these rankings: short-term MLB talent, long-term MLB talent/upper-minors prospects, lower-minors prospects/trade capital, payroll ceiling, MLB coaching/front office, and amateur signings (draft and international). You could quibble and combine or separate a few of those groupings, or argue some of these can’t be quantified properly. You may be right, but we’ll keep tweaking things until they are.

I had originally intended to limit this list to five teams for purposes of symmetry, but the top tier looked like seven teams to me, and the sources by whom I ran this list agreed. In the same way that the I approached the Trade Value Rankings from the point of view of a medium-payroll, medium-term-focused team, I’ve undertook this exercise by asking which team would be most attractive to a prospect GM if his or her only interest is to win the most World Series possible (and not have low state income tax, run a childhood team, or live in a cool city) over the next five seasons.

Without further explanation, here are the organizations most likely to win the 2019-23 World Series.

1. Los Angeles Dodgers

The top-three teams on this list all have some reasonable claim to the top spot, but I ultimately went with the Dodgers, as they have a little more certainty in terms of on-field personnel than the Yankees possess, while both clubs feature similar built-in financial advantages. (Houston lags behind on the second count.)

Brian Dozier, David Freese, Yasmani Grandal, Manny Machado, Ryan Madson, Hyun-Jin Ryu, and possibly Clayton Kershaw are all becoming free agents after the World Series. That should worry Dodgers fans a bit. But Los Angeles also has a better farm than the Yankees, a slightly easier league, and a clearly easier division, along with reinforcements on the way. The Dodgers have two of the top three catching prospects in the game waiting in the upper levels (Keibert Ruiz and Will Smith), an MVP-candidate shortstop returning from Tommy John surgery (Corey Seager), another top hitting prospect who’s big-league ready (Alex Verdugo), plus the money to bring Kershaw back and still afford upgrades at a spot or two.

The flexibility afforded by Cody Bellinger’s defensive flexibility, plus the presence of multi-positional dynamos like Enrique Hernández and Chris Taylor — along with an established bullpen ace in Kenley Jansen and an emerging starting ace in Walker Buehler — all gives the Dodgers the short-to-medium-term personnel edge to take the top spot.

2. Houston Astros

I was prepared to put the Astros behind the Yankees, since the Bombers’ financial edge and superior scouting/development make up for the deficit in short-term talent. That said, the Yankees are forced to contend with the Red Sox, which should produce something like a 50/50 split over the next five years between division titles and Wild Card appearances. On the other hand, the Astros don’t have a clear, consistent second power in their division. A 90-something-win season is about standard for teams like this, and there’s a real chance the Yankees never get to the ALDS with that win total, while the Astros are far more likely to have home-field advantage guaranteed in a playoff series. For that reason alone, the Astros slide just ahead of the Yankees.

The pending free-agent class includes Dallas Keuchel and Charlie Morton, though the top pitching prospect in baseball (Forrest Whitley) is ready to fill in for one of those next year. Marwin Gonzalez is a pending free agent, but his corner-outfield spot is ready to be filled by another top-10 prospect in the game, RF Kyle Tucker. The core is still solid and locked up for long enough that the payroll deficit with the Yankees shouldn’t be a huge worry in the short-term, but likely will be toward the end of the five-year window I’ve defined here.

3. New York Yankees

Eric and I often talk about the Yankees in glowing terms when it comes to their process and outcomes, particularly in the amateur markets. They are generally regarded to be top-five (if not better) in terms of developing their minor leaguers and signing/drafting players in the draft and international markets. This allows them to continue to turn small investments into tradable assets — and GM Brian Cashman has been aggressive in trading multiple middle- to lower-tier prospects for short-term help, trusting that this machine will backfill the openings.

There are some questions surrounding the big-league team, however. There isn’t a clear long-term answer at first base; it isn’t obvious that Gary Sanchez will be a catcher for as long as some Yankee fans originally hoped; they’re now short an infielder for at least the first half of 2019 after Didi Gregorius’s elbow surgery; Miguel Andujar’s defense was historically bad this year; and the rotation needs to be bolstered. The farm system isn’t positioned to address those holes, but the Yankees have a good recent track record of solving such problems and also won’t have the constraints of the luxury tax about which to worry this offseason.

The club has a number of pending free agents, but not many current impact-type guys, with David Robertson representing possibly the best. Others include Zach Britton, J.A. Happ, Lance Lynn, Andrew McCutchen. Much of the departures come from the bullpen, the strength of the team.

The Astros and Red Sox will remain in direct competition with the Yankees for at least the next few years, while Cleveland and Tampa Bay aren’t going away, either. They also don’t have George Steinbrenner in charge of the checkbook, so the spending likely won’t go out of control anytime soon, but the Yankees are still set up for a good run over the next five years due to a core with tons of controllable years.

4. Cleveland Indians

The Indians are the clear heavyweight in the weakest division in baseball, and they employ the top two players from our recent Trade Value Rankings in Francisco Lindor and Jose Ramirez, with Corey Kluber just behind them at 12th on the list. They’re losing Cody Allen, Michael Brantley, Josh Donaldson, and Andrew Miller to free agency this year, and their middle-third payroll dictates that not all those players will be returning. The club had holes in the outfield even before losing Brantley.

This puts Cleveland in the tough middle phase of a mid-market club’s playoff run, where they’re forced to maintain some quality at the major-league level even as they slowly lose the advantages created by their most valuable contracts. Luckily, they’ve continued to improve their rotation with Trevor Bauer, Shane Bieber, and Mike Clevinger all emerging and Triston McKenzie on the way. Factoring in Kluber and Carlos Carrasco makes the rotation the strength of the team, aside from the two dynamic infielders.

There is prospect capital in the lower minors, particularly the fruit from one of the better international programs in the game, but the trade value for those sorts of players will be much better in a year or two, as they establish some track record. If the Indians can remain a 90-ish-win team for 2019 without sacrificing value from future years, they are positioned for a key decision. After the 2019 season, they could to push their chips in again and extend the window for this group (followed by a full rebuild, a la the Royals right now), or do the more prudent long-term things and have a much shorter and less painful reload to reopen a new window (like the Yankees a few years ago).

5. Atlanta Braves

If I wrote this list a year ago, the Braves would be the sleeper organization sitting outside the top tier — likely outside of the top 10 — that I’d say has the potential to jump into this tier if everything comes together and ahead of schedule. That’s precisely what happened this year. At the same time, the Marlins continued to rebuild, the Mets continued to Mets, the Nationals took a step back, and the Phillies failed to leap as far ahead as their early-season results suggested they might. As a result, Atlanta emerged from the NL East as champions.

No team in this division appears poised to roll out a top-five payroll over the next few years, as industry chatter has the Nationals looking to reduce spending this winter. In lieu of a financial advantage, the Braves’ embarrassment of young MLB-ready or MLB-proven talent gives them an edge in terms of quality of players and depth. This effectively gives them something approximating a financial advantage against the division, whenever they choose to fully use it; industry chatter suggests the Braves won’t be cashing in all of their chips this offseason.

The Braves have the best farm system of the clubs in this top tier and arguably have the best controllable MLB talent, as well, with Nick Markakis and Kurt Suzuki headlining the pending free agents. The farm system has lost some depth, and international sanctions will limit the opportunity to add to it in coming years, but it will take years before that will be felt in any real way. If this group of young players develops as expected, there will be little effect at all.

I should mention, as most of you know, that I worked for the Braves recently and betting on a young core continuing at a certain trajectory can be shaky (the Mets being a recent example), but everyone with whom I spoke said the Braves clearly belong in this top tier, in part due to their core and in part to the presence of more young depth than most upstart clubs have possessed in past years.

6. Boston Red Sox

One on hand, this team has a roughly 60% chance (according to the oddsmakers) to win the World Series this year and had the best record in baseball this season (plus the marquee players to suggest it wasn’t a fluke).

On the other hand, Nathan Eovaldi, Craig Kimbrel, and Ian Kinsler are all expected to enter free agency after the World Series, while Xander Bogaerts, J.D. Martinez, and Chris Sale can walk after 2019, and Mookie Betts and Jackie Bradley Jr. after 2020. Boston has the money to probably sign sign four of these to long-term deals. Betts would seem to be the most likely to get an extension to keep him from hitting the open market.

Beyond that group, the core players are Andrew Benintendi, then some guys who are talented but somewhat unpredictable in Rafael Devers, David Price, and Eduardo Rodriguez. As for reinforcements, you’ve got the 29th-best farm system with no impact on the horizon, and some issues that sound familiar to Tigers fans after Dave Dombrowski left for Boston.

The payroll is here to keep at least half of the core, but I would imagine the Yankees will become the favorites in that race to avoid the elimination Wild Card game once a few pieces leave Boston. That is why I said earlier that, over the balance of this five-year window, starting next season, it’s close to a 50/50 proposition which of Boston and New York will avoid that Wild Card game and have the much easier road to a title. Anything can happen, but a core built around Andujar, Sanchez, Chad Green, Aaron JudgeLuis Severino, Giancarlo Stanton, and Gleyber Torres is a better bet for this kind of exercise, with all of those tied up for at least four of the five years we’re considering and all but Stanton at well-below-market rates.

7. Chicago Cubs

The Cubs looked to be on the verge of becoming a dynasty, but things have gone a bit sideways in the last year or so. It’s unclear what Addison Russell’s future is with the club (which is the least important part of his situation); Kris Bryant, Ian Happ and Jose Quintana had down years; basically the entire pitching staff was worse in 2018 than expected, Willson Contreras has some questions about his defense that would greatly impact his long-term value; there are questions about Joe Maddon’s future with the club; and Jason Heyward is making $106 million over the next five seasons.

Now, some good things have happened, like the emergence of Javier Baez and bounce-back years from Kyle Schwarber and Ben Zobrist. There’s still a lot of veteran talent and a big payroll to support such a club. That said, there’s less talent here than on the Red Sox — who I showed above need to be thinking about who to lock up and when — and this situation has some similarities with the Giants, who have been slapping a new coat of paint on the same aging core a little too long and it’s caught up with them.

The Cubs farm system is better than the Red Sox’, but there isn’t a impact type guy here who will prop things up. It’s more depth types and lower-minors types who need to prove themselves. Like the Red Sox, there’s plenty of talent and payroll here to supplement a playoff club and extend its life a bit longer, but it’s going to take more magic that it appeared was necessary a year ago.

Some argued for a couple more teams in this top tier, and a number of organizations are lingering if a few things fall their way:

  • The Angels have a high payroll ceiling and the best player in baseball, along with Shohei Ohtani at the minimum salary and an improving farm system. They also have a tough division, Albert Pujols’ contract, and an uneven recent track record.
  • The Phillies have a high payroll ceiling and you could argue they’re just a year or two behind the Braves in the same process. That said, they’ve indicated they won’t spend wildly this offseason, and all but two players in the whole organization are reportedly available in the right deal, so most would like to have a little more certainty about the specific direction.
  • The Brewers were one game from the World Series, have a nice core, and possess arguably the most well-regarded front office in baseball. That said, it’s hard to crack this top group as a perennial contender at this kind of payroll disadvantage and without a top-tier farm system.
  • The same goes to the Rays and A’s, who often carry the two lowest payrolls in the game but who both assembled playoff-caliber clubs this year. The Rays also have a clear top-five farm system. The margin for error here is so small, I can’t imagine either organization being in the top tier of this sort of ranking, even if they are able to pull of consecutive playoff appearances. The exception would be multiple pre-arb perennial All-Stars popping up at once; Matt Chapman qualifies as such and Wander Franco is on the road to becoming one, so it’s not impossible.
  • A number of others could move into the top 10 with some breaks. The Nationals are at a crossroads this offseason. The Cardinals are solid each year and across departments. The Jays have a high payroll ceiling and two top-10-overall prospects. The Twins are moving in a good direction across the board. Colorado just made the playoffs. There are also a number of rebuilding/reloading teams could accelerate their plan with a breakthrough in the next year or two.

Kiley McDaniel Chat – 10/24/18

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1:28

Kiley McDaniel: Kiley is here. Some quick plugging of things I’ve done lately

1:29

Kiley McDaniel: Podcast with
1. Jeff Passan on sign stealing
2. Eric and I about structuring a scouting dept
3. Jake Mintz of Cespedes Family BBQ on the ballad of Barbecue Yee
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-audio-presents-the-untitled-…

1:29

Kiley McDaniel: The even orgs most likely to win the next 5 world series: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/heres-who-will-win-the-next-five-world…

1:30

Kiley McDaniel: I tweeted this morning that it sounds like Doug Melvin is the favorite for the Mets job (though it obviously isn’t a done deal yet):

 

Kiley McDaniel
@kileymcd

 

Heard from multiple sources last night that Doug Melvin is now the clear favorite for the Mets GM job
24 Oct 2018
1:30

Kiley McDaniel: Lastly, I just bought a house and am currently dealing with contractors. May not recommend that one, but it’s what I’ve been doing

1:30

Tommy N.: Do you think the Reds will eventually trade Eugenio Suarez with Nick Senzel and Jonathan India waiting in the background?

1:31

Kiley McDaniel: No, they’ll just find spots for those guys. They’re all 3B ideal fits, but all of them can play a passable 2B and obviously Senzel is playing some CF now. Too many good players is never a bad thing

1:31

Will H.: Which is more brutal weather wise; a summer day scouting in the AZL or a summer day scouting in the GCL?

1:32

Kiley McDaniel: GCL is way worse; it’s all noon starts with 100% humidity and often rain in the 2nd half of the game, almost no stands/shade/elevation. AZL is night starts, often in stadiums, with no humidity

1:32

Garrett: Advice for a college sophomore wanting to get into a front office? Is it too early for an internship? Also what can I do now to help myself?

1:32

Garrett: Any tips for a soon-to-be college grad applying for these MLB QA internships?

1:33

Kiley McDaniel: These things only get more competitive, so you have to stand out, with either public research that breaks new ground, or skills like spanish or SQL that separate from a generic graduate with some ambitions but not much on a resume

1:33

Mike: With the Mesas and Sandy Gaston signed, who is the top IFA left (if any)?

1:34

Kiley McDaniel: Have referenced this in a few places, but there’s basically no consensus $500K+ prospects left right now. Asia is light, there may be some hideout guys in Mexico but that is contingent on MLB opening the country pretty quickly (which is unlikely).

1:36

Kiley McDaniel: 17-19 year old latin prospects always develop late and pop up in the middle six figures, some new Cubans may pop up, etc. but there isn’t a guy right now and there isn’t even a Cuban name that’s widely known that teams are waiting on–that market is pretty barren, which is why most of the new ones you hear about are 16 years old with no track record. That age group is where the Cuban talent hasn’t been picked over yet.

1:36

Eric Blair : What is Vlad Jr. worth in terms of other players in a very hypothetical trade?

1:37

Kiley McDaniel: I posed this question on twitter this week and the results were about what Eric/Craig Edwards/I expected. We’d lean 55% or so to Vlad and the public leans a little harder bc he’s 1) famous 2) the HOU guys aren’t really famous 3) Tucker was bad in a short MLB look 4) fans always lean to the better player anyway

1:37

Kiley McDaniel:

 

Kiley McDaniel
@kileymcd

 

Whose six controlled years would you rather have?

#1 overall prospect
OR
#8 and #12

All three are big league read… twitter.com/i/web/status/1…

16 Oct 2018
1:38

Kiley McDaniel: so if Vlad is a comfortable favorite over 8+12, that gives you a pretty good idea of what a “fair” trade would be

1:38

Rays: With Brendan McKay struggling with his hitting, should the Rays continue to let McKay hit or let him pitch for now on?

1:39

Kiley McDaniel: He’s still top 150-200 overall as simply a hit/power first baseman, so obviously no. To have a guy be that good as a hitter and clearly better as a pitcher is insanely rare and there’s plenty of ways to deploy that, most commonly suggested as a rotation guy that DHs whenever possible like Shohei Ohtani started as

1:40

Kiley McDaniel: Saving a roster spot and creating two solid regulars with one spot is incredibly valuable, especially for a small market team. That’s why TB is trying this with Tanner Dodson (2018 2nd rounder RHP/RF) and I would bet they try it with other guys

1:42

Hello: Peter Alonso for Paul Goldschmidt.  Who says no?

1:42

Kiley McDaniel: Pretty good one

1:43

Kiley McDaniel: Goldschmidt is 31, has 1 year left at $14.5M and his last three years have been 5.0, 5.2, 5.1 WAR (with a 7.2 right behind that)

1:44

Kiley McDaniel: if he’s open market for only one year deals, he would get like about $30M

1:45

Kiley McDaniel: so that’s $16M in surplus value, maybe a little more since competing teams could see him as the missing piece

1:45

Kiley McDaniel: We’ll be sharing more on this soon, but I’d say Alonso is worth about $25-30M

1:46

Kiley McDaniel: So, since it’s only one year, the Mets say no (plus the Mets probably aren’t trying to go for it in 2019). But if it was 2 years and it was a contender that was trading Alonso, it probably flips the other way

1:46

Kiley McDaniel: I go through this example because we will have a lot more in the coming weeks about the math behind instances such as this

1:46

Mac: If you and Eric were able to hire a 3rd person for your prospect team and locate him/her anywhere in the country/world you wish, where would it be most beneficial (excluding the obvious Dominican Republic)?

1:48

Kiley McDaniel: Not sure there’s a clear answer. Obviously middle of the country like Texas would be good. Hot spots that would also help like SoCal (Eric can still get there easily) and NC/GA/FL (I live in one and can get to the other two pretty easily) don’t make quite as much sense. Northeast has a lot of pro stuff for 5 months but not a whole lot else. Major city in Texas with the ability to get into the Midwest via car is probably the answer

1:48

mark: Do you think AJ Preller would prefer one gm candidate over another, under the assumption that he is trying to trade for Noah Syndergaard. More broadly, do you think it is easier for say him and an analytics driven guy to come together, or do you think he would be able to make a better deal with a more old school type of gm.

1:50

Kiley McDaniel: I think a more analytically-inclined GM will be more likely to want to sell/rebuild while he rebuilds the front office/processes and that GM would also have different opinions about players than AJ, so a deal would be easier (this would generally apply to Chaim Bloom). I would not assume Doug Melvin would trade arguably their best player in his first winter.

1:51

Kiley McDaniel: And I don’t think anyone knows what Brodie would do with the big decisions, other than wear Gucci loafers

1:51

Judson Castro: You moved again?

1:52

Kiley McDaniel: Yep, bought a house in Atlanta, will be all settled in before the holidays. Shouldn’t really change what sort of games I get to going forward other than a little more SEC/ACC and a little less Florida State League

1:52

Loogie: What are Peter Alonso’s odds of success in the majors. Does he have AJ Reed downside?

1:53

Kiley McDaniel: Every 1B-only prospect has that risk. I’d say there’s a good chance that he has 2-3 good years in his first 3-4 seasons. Not sure how well that type of player will age

1:53

Kiley McDaniel: And there’s a chance the defense is a real problem, which could undermine his role, especially with a traditional manager/GM

1:53

Jay: How much if any, do AZL level prospects have in terms of trade value? Asking specifically about players in Cleveland’s system like Valera and Rocchio, since their system lacks a lot of high-end talent at the upper levels to use in trades this offseason.

1:55

Kiley McDaniel: Not every team scouts those leagues enough or trusts the TrackMan enough to really pay a lot in trades, but that changes once there’s a full season in Low-A of performance and the associated data. Referenced this in who will win the next 5 WS article. I think those guys have much wider appeal starting around the deadline next summer and going forward

1:55

Nico: Has Hoerner or Justin Steele’s AFL performance shifted your valuations for either of them? Have seen various reports on Steele’s velocity/stuff.

1:55

Kiley McDaniel: You can ask Eric for details since I haven’t seen him, but he wasn’t super enthused by Steele. We already had Hoerner pretty high, but sounds like he’s been solid

1:58

Slurve: When top 1st round prospects “fail”, other than injury, what are some of the causes (given how much research and exposure they usually provide, etc.)

1:59

Kiley McDaniel: Being less athletic usually via weight gain and having tools/velo back up, not being able to lay off/identify off speed pitches (“can’t hit”), awful makeup that impacted work ethic

1:59

Frank: Does Anthony Kay have mid-rotation upside, or is he more likely to top out as a 4/5 starter?

2:00

Kiley McDaniel: B

2:00

Quinn: Does Christin Stewart have a realistic shot at 30 homers in his peak? What kind of power do you see out of him in 2019?

2:01

Kiley McDaniel: Sure, 25-30 is reasonable, but the bar at DH is so high that he has to do that and also get on base

2:01

Buster: Which team do you think is best situated to cash in its prospects this winter in a big trade (ala Milwaukee last year)?

2:02

Kiley McDaniel: Atlanta is positioned but I don’t think they’re itching to empty the cupboard. Tampa Bay is crazy deep and has a good club, so they seem more likely to try it just to consolidate into fewer assets like STL did last year with Ozuna

2:02

Greyson: Keith Law said the Tigers were among the teams most far behind analytically. Do you agree, and if so are they at least moving in the right direction relative to other teams?

2:02

Kiley McDaniel: They were definitely bottom 5 when Avila took over and they are moving in the right direction, but it’s a reaaaally long way from bottom 5 to top 5

2:03

Rox Fan: Odds that the Rockies can extend Arenado this winter? And if they cannot get an extension they should trade him, right?

2:04

Kiley McDaniel: Discussed this situation recently in a podcast (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-audio-presents-the-untitled-…) and i think he would’ve signed an extension already if he was open to that. I think he wants to test the market and with Story/Rodgers/Hampson, the Rockies have cheaper replacements

2:04

Kiley McDaniel: But if they think they’re gonna make the playoffs again in 2019 and want to try to keep him and will take the comp picks if they don’t…then they’ll just hold

2:05

Frank: Whens the new top prospect list dropping?

2:05

Kiley McDaniel: Post WS. We’re already working on them, so a few will be done before they come out.

2:05

Anthony: Can scouts at all forecast pitcher injury risk based on the eye test, or is that something entirely random or only possible with biomechanical tracking?

2:06

Kiley McDaniel: Can’t imagine it’s any better than a monkey throwing darts if that’s all you’re using. Throwing in medical history, velocity, biomechanical, etc. does a much better job and still nobody really knows

2:06

Matt: No question, I just love your “As Yet Untitled” podcast with Longenhagen – thanks!

2:06

Kiley McDaniel: This guy gets it

2:07

Lefty: Are the Giants just covering all their bases by kicking every tire, or is the looming shadow of Sabean staying in the organization dissuading bright candidates from taking the job?

2:07

Kiley McDaniel: Don’t think that’s the case. Sounds like they want a new head honcho and Sabean will be stepping back

2:07

Kiley McDaniel: But if ownership wants a winner and doesn’t want to rebuild, some people may not want to step into that

2:08

Ghost of Ned Yost: I know these questions are difficult but I’m trying to build a model to figure out what teams place the most value on ceiling especially when it comes to starting pitching. Who are some arms outside the top say 75-80 that could become an ace caliber if everything clicks? Like the DL Halls, Pearsons and Matt Mannings types.

2:09

Kiley McDaniel: Outside of the top 100: Cole Winn, Shane Baz, Riley Pint, Luis Medina, Mason Denaburg…there’s really not that many.

2:10

Kiley McDaniel: This is another topic that we have some stuff to share with the readers during the offseason list process

2:10

Jo-Nathan: What should the Orioles do with their international cap now that they whiffed on the Mesa’s and Gaston?

2:11

Kiley McDaniel: Sign 20 guys for an average of 200K and you just spent $4M to give yourself much better rookie ball talent

2:11

Stevil: If Atlanta trades pitching prospects to address holes on the field, who do you believe is most likely to be dangled?

2:12

Kiley McDaniel: Would not be surprised is Sean Newcomb is the top name that gets dangled

2:12

Nicholas: What did you think of the Mets considering a couple player agents as potential GMs?  Do you think agents in general would be good baseball ops personnel?

2:15

Kiley McDaniel: Unless I know specifically otherwise, I would assume any agent with no front office experience would be overwhelmed in a GM job

UNLESS they are self-aware enough to recognize that ahead of time and surround themselves with smart people that they can delegate to and do more of a CEO decision maker type thing. In that case, I think some agents could possibly succeed. Not sure any of them have that kind of humility right out of the chute, from my experiences with that sort.

2:15

JD: If you’re a rebuilding team like the Tigers and Reds, do any FA pitchers fly under the radar that might be worth a chance and a deadline flip next July? I remember all last year everyone raved about Tyler Chatwood’s uptick in velo and spin (woops) and I’m wondering if there’s someone underrated that’s seen positive trends that might get a flyer.

2:16

Kiley McDaniel: Steady veteran relievers is the best demographic to invest in FA for a rebuilding team interested in flips

2:16

Kiley McDaniel: Or buy low/one year deal/prove it types with some upside. Rich Hill back in the day is an example of this.

2:16

Jo-Nathan: I know a lot of J2 news seems to come out late November, when can we expect to see the 2019 J2 list added to THE BOARD?

2:17

Kiley McDaniel: February at the earliest (when I see many of them in the DR), still probably within a month or so of J2

2:17

Guest: What is it about Mackenzie Gore that makes him such a better prospect than Luis Patino?  Patino is younger, performed better at the same level, and throws harder.

2:17

Kiley McDaniel: Gore is left-handed with more track record and he’s bigger, probably a little more athletic

2:18

Ybored at work: Does Wander Franco’s bat compare to Vladimir Guerrero Jr.?

2:18

Kiley McDaniel: Not quite as good, but closer than people think. And obviously the speed/defense/position is light years better

2:18

Matt: Coming out of high school, what were the differences between Parker and Austin Meadows?

2:19

Kiley McDaniel: Parker was bigger/faster, probably a little more power, too, but less track record of hitting and much bigger questions on the contact ability

2:22

Kiley McDaniel: VVM (not publishing the question): the Almora-Mesa comp is everywhere. I talked to multiple scouts after the Mesa workout and they all said Almora was the best comp they could come to. One director who has signed many Cubans said it was “a perfect comp.” Maybe he ends up as another kind of player (that’s kinda the nature of projections/scouting), but it isn’t a debate that lots of people think this.

2:22

JD: To follow up on Garrett, any advice for a compsci graduate student who’s interned with two teams (video), has pretty decent coding experience on the side, but still doesn’t feel he stands out.

2:22

Kiley McDaniel: Spanish would be the last thing I’d recommend. And being around, but not annoying to, powerful people in the game

2:22

iggy: you can learn SQL in like two weeks can’t you? I’ve always heard that and R are a lot easier than say a Python

2:23

Kiley McDaniel: Took me months to get comfortable with it, but learning the basics isn’t that hard. Never really got into those other two very much.

2:23

Mark: Any word on who the Orioles are looking at to run their organization?

2:24

Kiley McDaniel: The buzz is traditional/older types, but they’re also talking to moderate/younger types. Some buzz than Angelos wants to hand over control to one person to run all of baseball ops, but you can understand if the candidates are dubious, with the track record, the sons around and Brady Anderson lurking.

2:25

Jason: There is some talk that Rays may not protect Joe McCarthy on the 40 man before the Rule V draft this offseason. Does that sound crazy to you? I mean the Rays are obviously a smart org, but that their depth might actually lead to a player like that reaching the Rule V draft?

2:25

Kiley McDaniel: He would definitely get taken, probably with the top pick. They should trade him if they aren’t going to protect him. I would heavily guess they protect him.

2:27

Kiley McDaniel: I can’t remember the last time a 45 FV type prospect wasn’t protected. Tyler Goeddel was a solid 40 FV when he was unprotected, that was somewhat surprising at the time and he went 1st.

2:27

Jason: The Braves surplus of pitching talent is starting to cause a logjam.  Whom do you trade assuming it’s an outfield slugger or established #1 type starter ?  Would you start a package w soroka or Wright ?

2:28

Kiley McDaniel: I think J.T. Realmuto would be the big fish if they made a big move. I wouldn’t trade those guys, but a Realmuto trade would have to have 1-2 uncomfortable names included.

2:32

Andrew: Which Braves pitching prospect makes the most sense in a 1-for-1 swap for Madison Bumgarner?

2:32

Yadi: What type of package could Madison Bumgarner fetch?

2:32

Kiley McDaniel: 1yr $12M on Bumgarner. Allard/Wentz/Muller are right in that range on a 1-for-1.

2:33

37: Not sure if you mind pitching your podcast again, but people should listen to the podcast, if only for the Barbecue Yee segment, which was one of the funniest things I’ve heard in sports this year.

2:33

Kiley McDaniel: I thought so too! (that’s segment 3 from the most recent episode, linked at the top)

2:33

Joe: Please continue to talk about how scouting staffs, player development staffs and front office staffs are set up. I find that fascinating. Also please keep reporting on who teams are hiring for those departments, with invites on what the hires mean for those teams!

2:34

Kiley McDaniel: Ok we will! Seems like we’ve found a niche with absurd baseball stories, front office chatter and Jeff Passan repartee

2:34

Boyfred Boi: Challenge trade:  Dan Vogelbach for Dominic Smith?

2:34

Kiley McDaniel: Smith is much better, Vogelbach is a DH

2:35

opie: why would teams not trust TrackMan? Do you just mean in small doses?

2:37

Kiley McDaniel: Correct and things like power (measured via exit velo) rise as teenagers get to be older, thus there’s less projection necessary. When Acuna was an 18 year old CF with tons of 105+ and 110+ balls, that how you knew he was special, at least in that one way. There’s young hitters that are high on prospect lists that can’t really hit the ball 105+, but there’s belief that they will in a few years.

2:37

Bailey: I stay up at night not being able to sleep because I am beyond excitement regarding Drew Waters.  Am I wrong to be THIS excited? He seems like a superstar.

2:37

Kiley McDaniel: I’d tone it down a bit, but that’s on the table

2:37

Boyfred Boi: It would appear that Vladimir Guerrero Jr is not challenged by the AFL.  Are the Jays going to keep him in AAA for 2 months to start the year?

2:37

Kiley McDaniel: I would bet exactly 11 days

2:37

Jake: Just started reading about Kristian Robinson and Ronny Mauricio.  Do you consider both those guys as having huge ceilings?

2:38

Kiley McDaniel: Yes. KR is an NFL WR type toolset and RM is a big SS that can do almost anything you want him to.

2:39

Ray: So if you were the Astros, would you be a believer in Kyle Tucker to take the LF job next year and run with it? Luhnow didn’t seem to indicate adding offense is a priority this winter, which kind of made me think he must feel like one of Tucker/Fisher/Davis/someone will ultimately break out there

2:39

Kiley McDaniel: He’s as good a bet as a free agent bat on a multi year deal akin to Josh Reddick, there just may be a month or two to break in Tucker.

2:40

That Time?: THAT. TIME.

2:40

Kiley McDaniel: oh man it is

2:40

Jeff Sullivan: Kiley Kiley Bo-Biley Na-fana-fo-Filey Me-my-mo-Miley.  Kiley!

2:40

Kiley McDaniel: thanks jeff

2:40

Jo-Nathan: I know a lot

2:40

Doritos Locos Tacos: DORITOS. LOCOS. TACOS.

2:40

Kiley McDaniel: oh damn i could go for one of those rn

Eric Longenhagen Chat: 10/25/18

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2:02
Eric A Longenhagen: Good morning from Tempe where we’re approaching the Fall League halfway point. Let’s chat for a bit.
2:03
NotGraphs Revivalist: What kind of prospect package would ATL or SD need to put together for Syndergaard?
2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d be surprised if the the Mets move a big fish this winter. The new regime is going to be operating with incomplete information, there’s real risk of making a bad deal.
2:04
Tommy N.: Padres ownership seems to want to make a splash this offseason. It would be unwise to start trading top prospects with where the Padres are at in the rebuild process, right?
2:04
Eric A Longenhagen: They have to start consolidating talent at some point and I do think we’ll see some action this offseason, even if it’s just on the fringe of the 40-man.
2:04
Ace: When evaluating pitching prospects, what mechanical aspects of a pitcher’s delivery point to SP vs RP? Is it a certain arm slot, arm path, stride length, violent delivery, etc. Thanks

2:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Meh, as long as enough pitches play/the pitcher has a way of getting both handed hitters out and they can execute pitches, I don’t care what the delivery looks like. Some violent deliveries take away from command in such a way that guys can’t start, though.
2:06
Joe: What can we expect from Manny Margot going forward? Rough year, anything positive?
2:08
Eric A Longenhagen: Unless there’s a swing change, he’s probably a .380 slugger. He’s probably just a 45 if that’s the case. Has the physical talent to be better than that.
2:08
Andy: Eric.  I may be way off here, but it seems like there’s a lot more stolen bases in AFL than MLB.  Are the catchers more susceptible?  No rapport/chemistry between p&c?  Or are the position players here more reliant on speed than at the MLB level?
2:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Because results don’t matter here, I think players are encouraged to run down here. Which I like.
2:09
Anthony: Owen White have 2/3 starter projection?
2:09
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s too rich for me, that’s like a 4 WAR guy. #3, maybe. He’s quite good, though.
2:10
ChatzMcGee: Does Kyle Wright throw a sinker? Pitchf/x classifies it as a 4-seamer but it has very poor vertical movement, is it just a flat fastball? Is that a problem?
2:10
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah its effectiveness is more about the velo than its shape. I think it could limit how many bats he misses but still think he’s a good big league starter.
2:10
Anthony: What do you make of Hunter Harvey at this point?
2:11
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s a 45 for us: Big stuff, constantly injured, could pop and be really good while he’s healthy,  in whatever role.
2:12
Jon: heading out there next week. any SP’s not named whitley, JBB, Duplaniter, muller etc to keep an eye on?
2:14
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d check out Yamamoto and Krook. They’re both throwing in the upper-80s right now but it still might work. Krook’s fastball has big bottom, Yamamoto can really spin it. Miguel Diaz has monster stuff and is down here, Nate Pearson you didn’t list but probably know.
2:14
Jonathan: Everyone in NY is making a big deal of Alonso’s statcast NY Met speed record double yesterday, but can you put it into context against the entire league and history of statcast? How elite is it? Thanks!
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: I didn’t see his exit velos yesterday but you can slap 80 raw on him if you want. Exit velos in the 115+ range are nutty.
2:15
Robby: What is your take on Chris Paddack? They say he has a great change, but he lacks a true 3rd pitch. Can he be a real productive starter in MLB with 2 really good pitches and great control or does he have a servicable/good 3rd pitch in him that can take him to another level?
2:16
Eric A Longenhagen: First I’d ask who is ‘they’ and then I’d refer to Luis Castillo’s 2017 as evidence that a two-pitch guy can succeed, and Castillo has worse control and worse fastball plane than Paddack.
2:16
Robby: Which prospects seem to be off limits for Padres to trade? Are there any prospects they seem less or more bullish on than Fangraphs
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: I can’t speak for SD but I doubt they’d move the guys who didn’t perform, statistically, last year. They’d be selling low on those guys in a way and there’s no reason to do that. Josh Naylor, Austin Allen types are who I could see them moving.
2:17
Jim Bob Cooter: Arquimedes Gamboa is a guy whose production has never seemed to match his tools, but he’s also always been young for his league. Have you gotten eyes on him at the AFL and if so how has he looked?
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: I’m not really on him.
2:18
Trent: MLB.com recently dropped Will Smith from their top 100, largely because of his struggles in a brief AAA stint this year.  Are you still bullish on his future?  (For reference, he’s 29 on the Board right now)
2:18
Eric A Longenhagen: The average big league catcher in 2018: .230/.304/.372
2:19
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, I’m still on Smith. And Keibert has been a joy to watch hit for the last three weeks.
2:19
Robert: Anything you can tell us about Shawn Knowles from the Angels system?  Thank you!
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: De’shawn Knowles? He’s good. Small but physical, plus-plus run, has sneaky pop for his size. Like him.
2:20
AJ Pollock: Considering my injury history, is it all that unwise to accept the $17.9MM qualifying offer (if I get it)? There’s risk obviously if I get hurt again, but how much money woikd
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: There’s an argument for that and I think it’s a good fit for ARI if they wanna make one more run at this thing.
2:21
David: Hi Eric, What do you think of the next crop of hitters that were on the Kingsport Mets this year? Are you bullish? How would you rank them by highest ceiling between Kelenic, Mauricio, Santana, Vientos and Newton?
2:21
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d have Mauricio at the front of the list, Santana at the back.
2:21
Jerry: Heard anything on Kyle Zimmer lately? If he (miraculously) stays healthy, what’s the outlook on him?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Only what Kyle has been tweeting.
2:22
Robert: Can you explain what are a couple things you look for when giving a power grade for a prospect other than his body?  Thank you.
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: How far the baseball travels off the bat during BP
2:22
Kyle: What is a likely outcome for Corey Ray.  Do you think his power output last year is indicative of his likely future output or do you think he cuts down his swing a bit to lower the K rate?  basically is he a .230 hitter with 25-30 HR or can he be a .270 hitter with 18-20 HR?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: More likely the former
2:23
Travis: Malcom Nunez…How does he stack up to Wander Franco?
2:23
Eric A Longenhagen: Not even close
2:23
Buster: Does Shed Long have the arm to play third base, either full-time or as a utility player?
2:23
Eric A Longenhagen: He hasn’t been great at 2B during the AFL, I’m not sure he’d quickly take to several other positions.
2:24
Ford: How’s Luis Barrera look?
2:24
Eric A Longenhagen: I dig it. He’s not hitting here but I’ve been on his bat up to this point, 7 or 8 run, 7 arm. He’s playing really hard, too.
2:25
Guest: I’m somewhat new to scouting terminology, and I read somewhere (possibly on the FG 20-80 scale explainer?) that the 20-80 scale is based around an approximately normal distribution, and 10 points represents roughly a standard deviation – but wouldn’t you expect the talent levels of players to be somewhat skew, with a tail of highly skilled players, with most players being on the lower end? is it just that the way talent promotion works that it ends up filtering to normal?
2:26
Eric A Longenhagen: Big leaguers, all encompassing, are skew (20s and 30s are usually in the minors). But their individual physical tools are pretty normally distributed.
2:27
LPFan: Any Nationals that are impressive in the league so far? Do you think Carter graduates to big league as 2B next spring?
2:28
Eric A Longenhagen: Kieboom hasn’t been great down here but his hands work so well in the box and I feel really good about the bat. He has a plus arm, but the footwork hasn’t been great. Not sure when he’ll debut.
2:28
Robert: What prospect that you have seen in the Fall League has surprised you the most and why?
2:28
Eric A Longenhagen: Probably Krook just because he was a mid-90s guy for so long.
2:29
Xolo: Considering that he’s only 19, do you think there could be another level to Hudson Potts’ power?
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: Maybe another half grade? He’s pretty filled out for how young he is.
2:30
Ford: Have Kaprelian, Jeffries, or Holmes pitched at all in instructs for the A’s?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: Kap did, Jefferies did not, not sure about Holmes
2:30
Devon: Eric, how has your insomnia been?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: Better, thanks.
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: But it’s list season soon, so…
2:30
Guest: JP Martinez hit for the cycle earlier in the AFL. Is he increasing his prospect status or was it a fluke?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s okay, we’ll probably leave the 45 on him. Luxury 4th OF type.
2:31
Ryan: Which foreign country do you think teams should be spending more resources in? Australia? Brazil? Any European options?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: Brazil
2:31
Stephen: Do you think Jesus Sanchez is enough to headline a Realmuto trade for the Rays?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: As a headliner? Sure, but not without other good pieces. Realmuto is a stud.
2:32
Alex: People talk a lot about entering MLB as an analyst, but what’s it like entering as a scout? What kind of skillsets do teams tend to look for as they become more analytically minded?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: I think teams are still trying to figure that out, but it’s changing very rapidly right now.
2:33
Dylan B: How has the A’s contingent done in the AFL? I haven’t heard much beyond the generic “he’s impressing” stuff
2:34
Eric A Longenhagen: I have to see Sheehan again and my opinion is not solid on Eli White just yet, but otherwise (other than Barrera) I doubt any of them make the A’s list.
2:35
Crane Kenney: The Cubs are viewed (at least from the outside) as one of the more analytical clubs. However, it seems that their player dev isn’t on the same level as other, similar, teams such as the Yankees and Dodgers. Why is that?
2:35
Eric A Longenhagen: They’ve been pretty conservative with amateur talent acquisition. A lot of polished Mexican players on the international market, lots of college arms in the draft.
2:36
Farty Barrett: Who’s got the best command in the minors?
2:36
Eric A Longenhagen: Nick Neidert, maybe? Yerry Rodriguez two years from now?
2:36
DJ Tanner: Daulton Varsho going to be able be this unique 5 tool catcher in the bigs one day? Jason Kendall comp?
2:37
Eric A Longenhagen: Yup, love him. Starting to get shifted here in AFL, wanna see if he’ll push some bunts toward third. He’s a 55 runner.
2:37
Joe: Tyler white or Luke Voit for next season?
2:37
Eric A Longenhagen: Voit. Better athlete.
2:37
XXXander: DL Hall a starter or reliever?
2:38
Eric A Longenhagen: Starter
2:38
William: Does Yu Chang have a spot on the Indians next year?  Their IF is crowded, but perhaps Kipnis moves to the OF full time to open room?
2:38
Eric A Longenhagen: I think we see him at various positions next year.
2:38
Andrew : What can we all expect out of Corbin Burnes next season. Those numbers as a starter in AAA were meh, but he looked good in the majors
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Toss out the numbers at Colorado Springs, it’s a horrible place for breaking ball-heavy arms to pitch.
2:39
Tommy John : is 2 out hitting a real skill?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: No
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: Not any different from hitting
2:40
Bob: The attrition rate for low-level catchers is through the roof, which I’m sure is what’s keeping MJ Melendez from moving to the 50FV. If he does about what he did last year at the A+ level, does he move into the next tier?
2:41
Eric A Longenhagen: I plan on advocating for him as a 50 when we do the ROyasl list
2:41
Connor: I’m pretty new to baseball, so I apologize if this is a silly question, but why isn’t there more scouting for young players from countries like japan and korea?
2:42
Eric A Longenhagen: Those players are encouraged to play professionally in their native land before coming here.
2:42
AJ: Of the Rays glut of middle infield prospects/young major leaguers, which guys would you build around and who would be trade bait?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: Adames is an anchor. I think they’ll prioritize defensive versatility around him. Lowe and Solak have each also played OF. Brujan is athletic enough to play anywhere.
2:44
Brandon M : Any tips for insomnia Eric?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: Melatonin helped me. Exercise and avoiding screen just before/in bed are also good but I was already doing those things.
2:45
Hello: Desmond Lindsay encouraging in AZL?  Or SSS?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: Another guy whose eval is currently half-baked for me, but so far so good. Doesn’t look quite as tightly wound anymore, he’s a little leaner and more flexible-looking.
2:46
Hello: How much does Franklyn Kilome’s just-announced TJ surgery affect his risk profile?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Wait, what?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Ah, sheeeeet:
Woah. Mets say No. 5 prospect Franklyn Kilome, who they received in the deal for Asdrubal Cabrera, underwent Tommy John.
25 Oct 2018
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: We scale TJ guys back based more on timeline than on risk. Might be a 40+ FV guy now until he comes back.
2:47
Nils: If the Giants trade RP Will Smith to the Dodgers, next season we might have a game where Will Smith pitches to Will Smith, maybe with actor Will Smith in attendence watching.  Does the world end?
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: The world might end but for any number of other reasons.
2:48
Luis Robert Stevenson: Maybe 70 degree weather will completely turn the WS around but DD’s strategy to trade future maybe-stars for now-stars seems to have paid off. Do you think prospect-rich clubs will try to emulate that approach? And before you say “payroll,” yes, DD was able to splurge for Price and JDM (for whom BOS was famously the only suitor…) but otherwise, BOS’s deep pockets were emptied by bad Hanley/Panda deals and modest plays like Moreland/Nunez/Leon. Just about everyone else is either homegrown or acquired with prospects.
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: I think teams will more frequently trade long term prospects for near ready 45s and 50s to build a cheap core of serviceable everyday guys, then fill in the stars with $ or big blockbuster deals when they’re ready to compete.
2:49
Adam: How has Nico Hoerner looked?
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: Fine. 5 arm is not ideal at short and he has a weird arm stroke, but I bet they let him play there.
2:49
Chaise: Did you watch Steele yesterday?  Better numbers but did the process back up the results?
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: Nope I was at SRF for Dup/Buk
2:50
Roland: Has the decrease in workloads for MLB starters changed the way that pitching prospects are regarded?  For example, are smaller pitchers potentially more valuable now, since there’s less concern about them having the physical tools to pitch, e.g., 230 or 240 innings per year?
2:50
Eric A Longenhagen: I think some clubs are reshaping they way they evaluate pitching and others have been slow to enact that kind of scout re-calibration.
2:51
Shameless Cards Homer: What’s the NEXT BIG THING in scouting development?  What should it be?
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: Properly bucketing pitching into these new roles and having scouts who can identify them.
2:52
AngelusNovus: Ryan McKenna a 45?
2:52
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes, with some helium. legit 8 runner
2:53
Preston: What’s rapidly changing about what teams are looking for from scouts now being hired?
2:53
Eric A Longenhagen: Willingness and ability to integrate data into their evals.
2:53
cm: Does Alex Wells belong on that command list?  Anyone from Orioles look good in Arizona?
2:54
Eric A Longenhagen: Wells is in the team picture. McKenna, Cervenka (power) and Chleboard (breaking ball/breaking ball command) have been interesting
2:55
Matt: Can Feltman and Hernandez (Red Sox prospects) provide a big boost as soon as next year to the bullpen with Kimbrel potentially leaving?
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes
2:57
Jacob: How do you determine when to change a grade on a skill for a player? What about the overall grade?
2:58
Eric A Longenhagen: Just when it becomes clear what we have is outdated. That can occur in several ways (seeing players ourselves, talking with industry folks, etc). Continual performance/promotion causses overall re-evaluation and this time of year we just wipe the slate clean, basically.
2:58
Scott: So what are teams missing out on in Brazil?  Is baseball increasing in popularity there?
2:59
Eric A Longenhagen: Huge population, athletes often limited to soccer and jiu jitsu, sizeable Japanese population means baseball could actually take hold within the culture.
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s my time. Thanks for coming again this week and enjoy the rest of the World Series. Fall League games will start showing up on MLB Network next weekend, so be on the lookout for those so you can get your baseball fix. See you next Thursday.

Kiley McDaniel Spooky Chat – 10/31/18

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12:12

Kiley McDaniel: Coming to you from Florida for one last time, it’s Kileychat

12:14

Mets: We hired an agent…. WTF? honestly, I don’t see how even a regular GM would see anything but a full teardown as the only option.

12:18

Kiley McDaniel: The Brodie Van Wagenen hire is definitely one drawing some conversation around the game. It’s definitely not normal to have a GM that is recused from talking contract extension with your best player. The game has also changed so much in the last 5-10 years and agents have almost no exposure to all of these new facets.

I’m not saying they/Brodie don’t understand the stats we talk about here, but you’ll need to staff up/direct an R+D department, know their blind spots, hire scouts, hire coaches, etc. Not every GM is good at this, but how can we expect BVW to be good at this right away with no prior exposure to any of it, working with people he essentially doesn’t know? We also don’t know what sort of personnel decisions he’ll make, whom he’ll hire/fire in the front office…there’s just a lot of questions.

12:19

Kiley McDaniel: He could be good–I don’t want to be cast as knocking the hire just due to lack of information about him–but it just seems like an odd decision and one that’s impossible to judge for awhile.

12:19

Walter O’Malley : Which is worse for pitcher health? Throwing 100 mph or throwing 100 pitches?

12:20

Kiley McDaniel: 100 mph. That’s the biggest known cause of arm injuries. Rest between starts would go way ahead of pitches per start in terms of importance for predicting injuries. There’s a reason relievers get used 2-3 days in a row and blow out more often.

12:20

James Brandon: If you were a GM, how much (if any) effort would you put into scouting independent leagues?

12:22

Kiley McDaniel: Very little. You can narrow it down to a handful of guys you may be interested in and a resourceful person can call coaches and get velos to where you could just ask a lower level scout to go to a couple games a month, if a guy seems interesting in a spot where you could actually let him play. I’ve been involved in some successful indy signings and we only had a scout watch the player in some circumstances.

12:22

Fred: Do you have any inkling as to what FV Yusei Kikuchi might get? Or rather what kind of starter he might be?

12:24

Kiley McDaniel: League average or so, maybe 55 FV, but some concerns as stuff/performance wasn’t quite as good this year and he’s only 27. The Japanese arms usually succeed in MLB early, especially if there’s some funk in the delivery/arsenal, but often get adjusted to unless they’re an outlier in some way and I’m not sure Kikuchi is.

12:24

Alex: How honest do you think scouts and front office types are compared to the general population?

12:25

Kiley McDaniel: In non-work environments, they aren’t any different than normal people, other than drinking a lot more. For work, they probably have a similar about of biases about strong beliefs as anyone, maybe a little more

12:25

Jacob: Better projected outfield defense: Eloy Jimenez or Christin Stewart?

12:25

Kiley McDaniel: We have Stewart as a DH and Eloy as a RF

12:26

Bobby Bradley’s 40-time: yo dawg this chat is spooky af

12:26

TKDC: Is Fangraphs going to give its own free agent predictions like Dave Cameron used to do? Also, when can we expect to see the results?

12:26

Kiley McDaniel: Yes and they will be done by *shuffles papers*

12:26

Kiley McDaniel: ME

12:27

Kiley McDaniel: coming out Monday, I’ll handicap the market for each guy and another FG staffer will handicap the player

12:27

Cotty: Ok so this is a terribly dumb question, but: what exactly do prospects do all winter?

12:28

Kiley McDaniel: Once the Fall League ends, mostly go home and try not to get fat, some actively work on stuff or try to improve, some play winter league in various Latin countries

12:28

GM Guy: You think BVW has any knowledge on how to organize a scouting department? Thoughts on actually scouting players below A Ball? Is that stuff just still going to be decided by Ricco, Minaya, and co?

12:29

Kiley McDaniel: I mean we don’t even know if, other than Minaya, everyone else is staying in their current roles. I would imagine BVW will lean on Minaya a good bit for those sorts of things. The decision on scouting below Low-A may be a good indicator of where this is headed.

12:29

FanGraph’s Lurker: Chances the Ray’s consolidate their middle infield prospect depth for JT Realmuto?

12:30

Kiley McDaniel: I could see that. TB certainly has the ammo to do it. ATL is another heavily rumored destination. I could see WSH, but would guess they are quieter this offseason than past years. Seems like JTR and his camp are trying to force a trade and I’d think the Archer deal is where things would start.

12:31

Kevin: Which is scarier to see, a real life actual murderous monster, or a team with no shot at the 2019 playoffs and in desperate need of a rebuild trying to compete one last time?

12:31

Kiley McDaniel: B for sure

12:32

Kiley McDaniel: I mean I could get away from the monster but kidding yourself about a window of contention? The walls are closing in just thinking about it

12:33

Thom: Will we be referring to FanGraphs as FANG-graphs for the duration of the holiday?

12:33

Trent: What makes this chat “spooky”?

12:33

Kiley McDaniel: I think we’ve answered your question Trent

12:34

Randy: If were Miami would you accept either/both or neither of these trade packages for Realmuto:  (a) K. Tucker, Cionel Perez and Max Stassi / (b) Bukauskus, C. Perez, Freudis Nova and Max Stassi

12:35

Kiley McDaniel: Can’t imagine HOU would offer Tucker but I think A would get you very close

12:35

chris: I’ve always wondered as a baseball fan – why should I care about ratings?  I’m watching baseball either way.

12:36

Kiley McDaniel: Not if you take Smoltz’s advice and go outside and kick tree stumps until the game is full of Mark Lemke’s

12:36

Luis Robert Stevenson: Do you have a guess for how many years/$$ Nate Eovaldi reaps in FA? Do you think Alex Cora gets a cut, considering how much he used Nate in the WS?

12:36

Kiley McDaniel: Had him penciled in for 3/45 before the WS, still think it’s somewhere around there

12:37

RDJR8: The most staggering thing about the Mets hire is they had a solution right in from of them with Bloom. Comes from a progressive organization, widely touted throughout the league, and the Mets go and think hiring an agent with zero experience in baseball ops….I just don’t get how an organization can come to this conclusion, even the Mets

12:38

Kiley McDaniel: This seems to be a common sentiment amongst FG-reading Mets fans. I would caution some patience since we obviously know way less about BVW than the Wilpons do. But yes, on the face, it seems like Bloom is much closer to what they need to become a perennial contender.

12:39

Just A Dude: Reported offer of Soroka+Riley for Realmuto seems a little steep, yeah? Maybe that was just at the deadline with 2.5 years of control but what would you peg as a fair value there between the teams? Or is that still close?

12:40

Kiley McDaniel: I mean if we’re using Glasnow+Meadows+Baz as a floor, Soroka+Riley seems pretty close to that range. Soroka’s injury complicates things a bit more.

12:40

Jim Bob Cooter: There has been very little new info out of Baltimore on the GM search. Does any top candidate actually want that job?

12:41

Kiley McDaniel: Heard a lot of different things there, so not really sure what to believe. Best info I have is Kim Ng and Ben Cherington are leading names and the Angelos family has said they will be more hands off. I guess we’ll see if that ends up being true.

12:41

Rod: Does the BvW hiring mean the Mets are more or less likely to sell off deGrom & Thor?

12:42

Kiley McDaniel: He said in the presser that they’re in win-now and win-future mode (or something like that). I assume that means there won’t be a tear down, which means those guys stay, at least for the winter.

12:42

Draftnik: How does scouting change in the next 5-10 years. Will hi-def video and rapsodo/scoutcast be everywhere (with technology continuing to come down in cost) so you can just sit back in Florida and watch 5 giant screens with data feeds 24/7?

12:43

Kiley McDaniel: I wondered when they announced Google Glass years ago if that meant a scouting director would sit at home and flip between games from the POV of his scouts or specially-placed cameras. We didn’t get flying cars either.

12:45

Jay: What direction do you see the Diamondbacks taking this winter? They hinted at listening to offers for some guys, but that sounds like eyewash since all teams (in theory) do this every winter. If they try to hold it together than attempt to dump Greinke/Goldschmidt, etc., in season, their returns are going to be significantly less. Then it’s definitely over for thie group.

12:46

Kiley McDaniel: I would guess cautiously try to stay competitive (avoid big contracts for guys 30+) for 2019 and if things aren’t going well, then all the 2-3 years or less of control guys (and maybe Greinke) are on the block

12:46

Aaron: FA predictions on Monday, but FA period starts Nov 3. You’ll miss out on some predictions.

12:47

Kiley McDaniel: We’ll have the projections locked in by then, so you’ll have to take our word when we tell you. Also don’t think a bunch of huge deals will be signed in the first few days. Look at how long it took for anything to happen last winter

12:47

Jacob Wohl: Do you think certain scouting grades will transition to objectivity in the future? For example, what’s holding teams back from eliminating the need for raw power grades and simply rating players based on average or max exit velo? I see the need for subjective game power, but if a guy hits a ball 116+ mph I struggle with how to give him sub 70 raw (*cough* Monte Harrison *cough*). Maybe I’m just misinterpreting what raw power is?

12:49

Kiley McDaniel: I’ve had this conversation with more than a few people before, and even the specific one about when a couple crazy high exit velos replacing a raw power grade. The game is moving in this direction but I think the path to more than 1-2 teams writing most of their reports off of Trackman type stuff alone is still a long way off

12:49

Kiley McDaniel: That would definitely make my job harder, tho. Or maybe if there’s fewer scouts we’d all be better friends like the last scenes of a horror movie when almost everyone has died? This really is a spooky chat.

12:49

Brusdar Graterol: Has this last season changed my overall outlook at all?

12:50

Kiley McDaniel: Yep, has moved up some. Shown more sustained control/command than in the past, stuff held up, showed some durability, etc. I think he went from 45 to 50 and has shown enough upside to move more.

12:50

M: You’re the new Mets GM! Do you: trade DeGrom? Not trade DeGrom.

12:51

Kiley McDaniel: Well the issue here is when I’m named GM, I’ve already been told/come to an understanding about how this will be handled. I would lean toward blowing it up since I don’t see a road to short-term contention with this core at this payroll level.

12:53

Kiley McDaniel: And it sounds like there needs to be some wider-ranging blowing up of processes and whatnot, so doing that in a rebuild environment at the MLB level would fit culturally. And I think Mets fans would kinda like to follow in the footsteps of Sixers fans if they knew at the end of the rainbow they would have a perennial contender. A big market rebuild is more palatable if there isn’t a long history of winning. SF would be a much tougher sell for this course of action.

12:54

Matzabal: Is it wrong of me to think the shift makes the game less entertaining?

12:55

Kiley McDaniel: Kinda depends on what you think is interesting. I think the average FG reader likes the game getting more efficient/strategic and the average non FG reader probably thinks groundouts suck while ground ball singles (and O’Doyle) rule

12:55

Kiley McDaniel: But there’s room to disagree with that characterization within those groups

12:56

Dub: I can only keep 3 of Luis Robert, Francisco Mejia, Wander Franco & Vlad Jr. Which one doesnt make the cut?

12:56

Kiley McDaniel: Robert or Mejia depending on whose time horizon/position fits your team less

12:56

James: Has any fading team trying to put it all together for “one last shot” ever actually won the World Series? Or come close?

12:59

Kiley McDaniel: There was a movie about a cop on his last case before retirement where he determined he was too old for this shit but I don’t remember a baseball game in that one so I’ll say no

12:59

Shameless Cardinals Homer: Do you ever see MLB going to a full-on NFL-style draft for both domestic and int’l?  I mean trading up/back in rounds, etc.

1:00

Kiley McDaniel: Man I hope so, but seems like the owners aren’t real interested in it

1:00

scottz: Re: the Twins hiring Baldelli – does a guy who was a prospect who never reached his peak have any more insight for current prospects than any other manager type, or is it all just dependent on how you communicate/relate?

1:01

Kiley McDaniel: I’d say being a scout and coach on a progressive MLB team are much more important context for Baldelli’s future as a manager than his playing days.

1:01

Boba Chett: Any names to watch on the J2 scene for 2019? I.e. Miguel Tejada Jr?

1:01

Kiley McDaniel: Dominican SS Robert Puason still sounds like the best guy

1:02

Davoink Showerhandel: You’re trapped in a zombie apocalypse and a zombie is running toward your group of survivors.  You need someone in your group to bean the zombie with a fastball to the dome and put him down.  You’ve only got one baseball and your group’s survival depends on someone nailing this throw.  Which prospect do you want in your group – you need a combination of velocity and accuracy to put down this zombie

1:03

Kiley McDaniel: Gotta factor in CLUTCHNESS and WILL TO KILL and that’s why I want Bob Gibson because he’ll kill the zombie, kill his zombie family, and then he’ll really go to work on him

1:03

Mayor Quimby: What’s a rough FV for Nico Hoerner?

1:04

Kiley McDaniel: In fact, we have an exact one for you here: https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/?type=&pos=&team=chc

1:05

Marshall: A lot of teams passed on Trout in the draft. Did the Angels’ experience with Salmon influence their willingness to make that pick?

1:05

Kiley McDaniel: I see what you did there

1:05

kevinthecomic: is this your last chat from florida or your last chat from anywhere?!?!?!?!?!?!

1:06

Kiley McDaniel: Next one will be in Georgia or Alabama

1:06

Malcom Nunez: Am I next year’s Wander Franco?

1:06

Kiley McDaniel: No! You’re probably a first baseman!

1:07

john cale: there goes Trevor Rosenthal to the nats

1:07

Kiley McDaniel: here’s an example. I have him as the 62nd best free agent, projected for 1 yr 7M guaranteed

1:08

Kiley McDaniel: no terms disclosed yet. May be 1 year with an option and lots of incentives, if I had to guess more specifically.

1:08

Roger: Do Minor League teams generally turn a profit?  Or are they subsidized by their Major League affiliates?

1:09

Kiley McDaniel: Yes and technically yes b/c the MLB team pays all the player/coach salaries. MILB baseball is basically a theme park where the attractions cost the team nothing and they just sell concessions/parking/apparel, etc.

1:09

Guest: Why is Milwaukee a bottom 3rd payroll team but Cleveland is a middle third even though Milwaukee is twice as big a city as Cleveland?

1:09

Kiley McDaniel: Ask the owner, man

1:09

kevinthecomic: Lethal Weapon and no, there was no baseball

1:09

Kiley McDaniel: i think i’m getting too old for this chat

1:09

Guest: Not sure Bob gibson is a prospect

1:10

Kiley McDaniel: Hey i’m trying to survive and also see peak Bob Gibson slingin at Nazi zombies (they’re nazis now, too) don’t get in the way of my happiness

1:10

Rays: Then, which is linked with puason?

1:10

Kiley McDaniel: Oakland

1:11

kevinthecomic: Rotoworld has Rosenthal as the 61st best free agent!!!!  This is a spooky chat………………….

1:11

Kiley McDaniel: great minds!

1:11

The Ghost of Dan’s Grandma: My grandson, Dan Szymborski refuses to give me, his dead grandmother’s ghost, a kiss.  Could you prove greater than he and do me this kindness?  Come give Dan’s grandmother a kiss, Kiley.

1:11

Kiley McDaniel: oh we’re there, huh?

1:11

Turgid: Relatively new development… but Potbelly sandwiches give me diarrhea

1:11

Matt Damon: MATT.  DAMON.

1:12

Kiley McDaniel: Thanks for coming out, it’s time to take Scout on a walk and then work on the 17 projects I have going at once

Eric Longenhagen Chat: 11/1/18

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2:02
Eric A Longenhagen: Good morning from Tempe. Let’s begin our final pre-prospect list chat.
2:02
mark: Do you know if Anderson Espinoza has started throwing, and if so how he looks?
2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: He did not throw during Padres instructs. He may be throwing off a mound but, if he is, it’s private, so I don’t know how he looks.
2:03
Josh Nelson: Hey Eric. How do Luis Basabe and Luis Robert look so far?
2:04
Eric A Longenhagen: LouBob has been fine, Basabe has not been great.
2:04
mark: Do you guys have any planned draft coverage coming up?

2:05
Eric A Longenhagen: We’ll have a Board tweak based on Jupiter and fall scrimmages (and a companion article), but that’s probably it.
2:05
Tommy: Thoughts on Nico Hoerner’s quality AFL?
2:05
Eric A Longenhagen: He looks good, the same as he did in the spring. You still have to be okay with the throwing to project him at shortstop but I think he’s functional enough in that regard to be a 45 or 50 there.
2:05
Fidrych: What is your outlook on Carlos Rincon? Have you heard about a change in approach that might have helped him to increase his walk rate?
2:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Nothing explicit from an eyeball source about an approach change, just the statistical evidence.
2:07
Biscuit: Hey Eric, do you think Freddy Peralta has a place in the Brewers rotation long-term?  How about Corey Ray in the outfield?
2:07
Eric A Longenhagen: I don’t think he’ll be a 170+ inning guy unless the strike throwing gets better
2:08
Pad Squad: Why should we Padres fans be optimistic about their future when their farm system is notable for its depth rather than star-power? It’s not like they have future position players like the Astros, Cubs, or Red Sox developed.
2:10
Eric A Longenhagen: Some of them will be stars. What constitutes a ‘star’? 4 WAR annually? Some of them will get there.
2:11
Francis: Tell me I’m really stupid for falling in love with the Cubs AZL teams and Eugene roster. I can’t help it.
2:11
Eric A Longenhagen: Not stupid, I like a lot of those guys, too.
2:12
Larry: Madrigal had a 35% hard hit rate in the low minors. How does he improve on that going forward while facing better pitching?
2:12
Eric A Longenhagen: Way too much is being made of his summer performance. The guy was coming off a broken wrist injury and played competitive games from February through mid-October.
2:13
Carl: Hi Eric. What’s your impression of Keston Hiura in the AFL? Thinking mainly about defense, as the man sure can hit. Though should the high(ish) SO rate be a concern?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: He looks great. Defense at 2B has been fine, 45/50 arm.
2:13
Alex: If the A’s build a new stadium and more consistent revenue stream, could you foresee them moving near that “first tier” of organizations you and Kiley discussed on the podcast?
2:14
Eric A Longenhagen: If ownership turns on the faucet after all that stuff happens, sure.
2:14
Steve: when will Fangraphs’ team prospect lists start rolling out?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Primers/2018 Review and other big picture stuff starts rolling out late next week, then lists once those are all out there.
2:15
Anthony: How has Nate Pearson looked in Fall League? Are you on him as a true starter or is he more in that grey area of hybrid, multi-inning reliever?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Has been up to 101, generally inconsistent, delivery isn’t great. I bet he lights it up on Saturday, though.
2:16
Peter: I know Rocchio has shot up the BOARD this past season, so the Indians try and put him on the fast track this year?
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: I guess I’d speculate that he gets the Tyler Freeman treatment and is pushed to Mahoning Valley
2:18
MJ: Is the best course of action to get a job or more advanced internship in baseball to just send a ton of Cold emails out ? Having been stuck in MiLB video two years now, I’m really against doing it again and it’s turning me away from the industry
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: Hmm, that’s tough. It’s probably a better question for the folks with hiring power in the orgs you’ve worked for. Heading to places with high concentrations of decision makers (winter meetings, scouting showcases, analytics conferences) and poking around there to learn and rub elbows with new people is good, but those payoffs are long term.
2:20
Deep Blue: Who’s more likely to be the Orioles CF in 2020, McKenna or Mullins? Can you give us a quick updated scouting comparison?
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: I’ll say McKenna. He covers more ground.
2:21
KW: Erick Leal has yet to give up a run in the AFL. What’s your take on him? Should the Cubs protect him on the 40-man from the Rule 5 draft?
2:21
Eric A Longenhagen: Jeez, I did not know that. Up/down guy for me.
2:21
Colby: Has Keibert Ruiz grown on you in the AFL?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes, I have a 7 on the bat now.
2:22
Steve: Do you think Peter Alonso as more of an AL DH or do you forsee him improving enough to be a FT 1B ?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: He’ll be an NL 1B but he’ll be a 4 defender.
2:22
Queens: Any truth to the idea that prospects with high hit grades show more than expected power in the majors? How about prospects with high grades for their throwing arms?
2:24
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes to ? 1, though I don’t know how much of it is/has been the baseballs themselves and how much is us underestimating how much quality of contact leads to game power. On throwing arms: anything with less informative input (for grades pitches we have our eyes, trackman, etc, but for arm strength we just have what we see IF we think it was a max effort throw we just saw) is going to draw grades closer to 50, it’s just human nature.
2:24
Anthony: Any idea when the next podcast comes out? Are you still recording for the offseason?
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: We’re recording this weekend. Once Fall League is done and Kiley’s move is complete I’d assume we’ll each have a more regular schedule.
2:25
Colby: Will Gavin Lux be a top 5 ss prospect for 19 or does he have to move to 2b?
2:26
Eric A Longenhagen: 2B, still like him, though.
2:26
Moose_Bolton: Do you have any opinions on Braxton Garrett? He only pitched 15 innings and is recovering from Tommy John now so it may be too soon to tell.
2:27
Eric A Longenhagen: Same as pre-draft: Low-90s, has three pitches right now, could be a good mid-rotation guy.
2:29
Ozzie Ozzie Albies Free: Say one positive thing about Kiley. Say one negative thing about Kiley. Say one indifferent thing about Kiley.
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s a tireless worker. He is from Florida. He is right-handed.
2:30
Tommy: Ian Happ for Jon Gray…..Who says no?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: Cubs
2:30
kyle: has Jahmai Jones raised his stock during AFL/what tool or adjustment stands out? stats look great.
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: Not really, he’s the same guy. The bat isn’t really a question: he’s somewhat vulnerable to breaking stuff away from him, but mostly he’s going to mash a ton of doubles and hit like .280. What was important to see from him here was the defense at 2B, which has only been okay.
2:31
Brodie: Is Andres Gimenez good enough to where I don’t want to trade him for JT Realmuto?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: No, purely because of how good Realmuto is, no knock on Gimenez
2:32
Tommy Bahama Mama: Have you gotten a look at Jesus Castillo? Reports from mid-season said he was only 84-86 most of his time in Mobile.
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: (fumbling through notes)
2:33
Eric A Longenhagen: 88-90, 40 slider/cutter in the 84-87 range.
2:33
bob villar: Mondesi or Aguilar in an OBP Dynasty?
2:34
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s tough. I’d guess they’re each as likely to regress as the other, the ceiling is way higher on Mondesi if he’s real, so I’d take him.
2:34
James: How many innings do you think Whitley and JBB get to pitch next year?
2:37
Eric A Longenhagen: I thin Houston’s approach will be more touch and feel than adherent to a predetermined number of innings.  I think each of them will end up around 90 innings, give or take 15-20 innings? The big club wants to win, so if they feel good in September and they’re needed in Houston, I bet they’re pitching.
2:37
Heat: Realmuto to AZ for Widener, Chisholm and Varsho. Sound about right?
2:38
Eric A Longenhagen: Oooh, that’s kind of a lot for AZ to give up if they’re just going to take a single-year shot at this thing while Goldy is still around. But it’s not far off on talent, in a vacuum.
2:38
Dystopian Future: Is there anything to the idea that veteran presences help a young ballclub?
2:40
Eric A Longenhagen: I think it can be helpful, sure. The right vet with the right communication skills and the young players who are receptive to it. It’s pretty rare. It’s clear the young Dodgers drew something from Utley, for instance.
2:41
Anthony: If you took over a scouting department that was lagging analytically, how would you go about modernizing it?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d try to hire people who have learned from well-run orgs to build the infrastructure of data and try to make it easily digestible for all parties involved, the scouts, the players, the coaches, everyone. It would take years to go from (essentially) scratch to where the best orgs are at/headed and I’d need a lot of help.
2:44
Alex: I go to Cal. Aside from Vaughn, who do we have who’s worth seeing?
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: McIlwain
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: Horn
2:44
Jack: Are there any teams going through big scouting philosophical changes this off-season, whether it be the Astros route, or the opposite direction in the sense of beefing up and retooling their scouting department?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: I don’t think anyone is totally Houston’ing (Milwaukee is the teams other scouts mention as the most likely to do so) but SEA, TOR are restructuring on the pro side. CLE, MIL on the amateur side. Some teams looking to add eyes in AZ/FL/DSL
2:46
Joser: Sorry (not sorry) for a fantasy question: if you had to pick between Joey Bart, Alec Bohm, and Nolan Gorman, who do you pick?
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: Sorry (not sorry) for just directing you to our ranking of prospects: https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board
2:47
Joser: Hot take: madrigal is drastically overrated and will never have more than a .720 OPS in the majors
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: Who let Stephen A into the chat?
2:47
Nick: Is Connor Joe’s increased power he showed in 2018 here to stay? And how is he defense at 3rd?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: He has Justin Turner’s swing now, I’m bullish on the bat. Defense wasn’t great last I saw him, though.
2:48
Nick: What would Vlad Jr be worth on the open market right now? Technically, he was worth $3.9mm as a 16-year-old.
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s a great question. Craig is writing something right now about this kind of thing. I bet someone would do $200 over 8-10 years.
2:51
Pad Squad: Follow-up: Which guys will be 4 WAR on the Padres besides Tatis, Jr?
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: Gore, Paddack and Patino could be, Ornelas or Arias could be. Any of Baez, Morejon or Baez could be. Something weird will happen, like Tucupita Marcano developing an 8 bat or Esteury Ruiz becoming Alfonso Soriano or something, and another guy will get there. They have a lot of talent. None of them is likely to be that, individually, but this is where depth is your friend. Not all of the Royals 2011 farm system became stars, but enough of them did and they won the things.
2:55
Jonathan: I’ve been fiddling with machine learning as a means of classifying prospect value based on scouting reports.  One thing I found that surprised me was that prospect (or more generally player) value could be effectively described using a distribution instead of a flat value.  Are teams looking into describing players with curves instead of point values?
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: Some, and so, eventually, will we.
2:55
Cito’s Mustache: What do you think of the Jays’ 10th round pick Cal Stevenson? Handled rookie ball with ease. Fast rising sleeper in a strong system?
2:57
Eric A Longenhagen: Saw him a lot at U of A. Plus speed, has contact skills, but was probably just beating up on low-level competition during the summer. There’s a chance his hand injury clouded his true skill during the spring and that he’s actually good, so you’re right to keep an eye on him.
2:57
Joser: How much noise is there prior to J2 signings? Everyone seems to have been caught off guard by how good Wander Franco is, and how bad Kevin Maitan turned out to be. Is it about all the stuff that happens to a teenager’s body between 14-16, or are scouts purposefully over-inflating certain guys and keeping their favorites quiet?
2:58
Eric A Longenhagen: You’re right about the physical volatility of adolescence. That’s a huge part of why some of the high profile teens don’t work out. There’s not a lot of misdirection from scouts on these players because most of them have deals that aren’t changing by the time we’re writing about them, so no need to hide opinions.
2:59
Nick: Trey Supak doesn’t appear on the Brewers prospect list. I assume that means you aren’t buying him as a MLB SP?
2:59
Eric A Longenhagen: Supak is okay, could see him as an up/down guy I guess.
3:00
Colby: Are the tigers missing an impact bat in their farm system or does Paredes cover that. Should it be a priority or just keep piling arms and deal from strength?
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: I think you have the right guy as far as hitting is concerned. I think one of Alcantara/Castro will turn into a really good, well-rounded player and that Wenceel has a shot to develop into a special player.
3:01
Nate: Does Cionel Perez have a future in the rotation? Or would he need to be traded, considering Houston’s bevy of arms?
3:01
Eric A Longenhagen: Rotation piece for me.
3:01
Cards Fan: As a Cards fan I am really excited about Elehuris Montero.  What are your thoughts on him?
3:02
Eric A Longenhagen: Big power, plus arm, moves okay at third base but lots of orgs have him projected at 1B. Some also think his pitch selection is not great. Those orgs don’t like him. If you think he stays at 3B, you really like him.
3:02
Robby: Who are some prospects you feel underrated are about to blowup?
3:05
Eric A Longenhagen: The guys off the top of my head are all Fall Leaguers. Ryan McKenna is real. Tyler Nevin rakes. The Bahamian SS’s have been great.
3:05
Mike: former prospect question. Jeff Hoffman, what’s his current outlook?
3:05
Eric A Longenhagen: (starts hyperventilating)
3:05
Harry: Is there any path to success for Dom Smith that doesn’t involve a trade?
3:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Maybe, but I think the trade scenario is more likely than him sticking around and panning out.
3:06
JerkFace: Who was your favorite prospect who had not developed properly due to odd decisions by the team?.
3:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Again, the topical name is a Fall Leaguer. I’m not on board with Monte Harrison’s swing right now.
3:07
Exile in St. Louis: You named Abraham Toro as a riser in the AFL. What is he showing that impresses scouts? How does he project? Is the defense ahead of the bat? Does he look like he can stick at 3rd? Would you stick a 40 FV on him? Astros fans have long nabbed him as a sleeper. Thanks.
3:07
3:07
Eric A Longenhagen: He does a little bit of everything. 70 arm, 50 run, 50 pop, he plays really hard.
3:08
Henry: What have you seen out of Jordan Sheffield in relief in the AFL?
3:08
Eric A Longenhagen: 94-95, plus change in the upper-80s
3:08
abe froman: what do you think of malcom nunez (cardinals, 3b)? was he just beating up on inferior competition?
3:08
Eric A Longenhagen: Cardinals list drops first (wink, wink)
3:08
Dylan B: Who do you think is gonna be the highest ranked prospect to be traded this offseason?
3:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Hmmm….
3:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Austin Riley? That seems reasonable.
3:10
Mac: Thoughts on Bryce Bush? Looks like a pretty good 32nd  round pick.
3:11
Eric A Longenhagen: Yes, there’s power. 1B-ony for me. Very high-risk but the kind of flier I like in rnd 32. He’s already a good 32nd rounder if we’re having real discussions about him like this.
3:11
Kyle: Does Peter Lambert have No. 3 starter upside, or is he more of a safe 4/5 guy?
3:11
Eric A Longenhagen: For me, the latter.
3:11
Lyle: How would you compare Brandon Marsh and Khalil Lee’s upsides?
3:11
Eric A Longenhagen: Marsh’s bat >
3:11
simon: nats sign Harper – Victor Robles for Danny Jansen?
3:11
Eric A Longenhagen: We love Jansen but Robles >>
3:12
Kiner’s Disembodied Hands: Does Cole Tucker grow into any sort of power?  He’s hitting well in the AFL and did well the second half of last season.  Do you see him hitting the ground running in AAA this upcoming season?
3:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Really pounding it into the ground here, but there’s a foundation for lift if he can be more direct to the baseball. It’ll require good timing, though.
3:13
Colin: Super SSS, but how does Kieboom look at 2B?
3:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Hands haven’t been great down here, 6 arm though.
3:14
Rocco: is German Marquez the real deal, or a 1/2 season wonder?
3:15
Eric A Longenhagen: I buy it. That slider really developed during the season. In Feb, it and his changeup were both no bueno.
3:15
KC fan: What do you think of Khalil Lee? 55 a bit rich?
3:15
Eric A Longenhagen: 50 with swing and miss risk, hence the 45 FV
3:16
Ryan: Romero, Gonsalves, Stewart, Mejia–whom do you like best long term as a starter for the Twins?
3:16
Eric A Longenhagen: Romero is he’s healthy.
3:16
Mountie Votto: Have you gotten to see Mariel Bautista at all? Reds prospect hounds seem to be really high on him.
3:18
Eric A Longenhagen: Sure. Wiry 6-foot-3 guy with bat speed, can run, cahnce to stay in CF, we’ll see how the swing develops.
3:18
Eric A Longenhagen:
3:18
Jay: You mentioned Cleveland as one org restructuring amateur scouting. Any reason been mentioned, if you’ve heard anything? Is that pretty common every time a team has a new amateur scouting director as they do? Or do you think some less than ideal results from drafts prompted that?
3:20
Eric A Longenhagen: They re-assigned crosscheckers. Not an internal indictment of their draft process, sounds like they just thought there was a lot of overlap.
3:21
Craig: Re: the Bahamian SS’s.. who are they??? For those of us that don’t know these guys’ origin.
3:21
Eric A Longenhagen: Jazz Chisholm and Lucius Fox
3:22
____: How do you decide what order to do the prospect lists in?
3:23
Eric A Longenhagen: I start teams without instructional league games and/or imporant fall leaguers first, since there’s not going to be more learned about those teams from Oct. onward.
3:23
Doc: What do you think about royals INF prospect rubendy jaquez?
3:23
Eric A Longenhagen: Stocky kid with plus bat speed. He’s interesting.
3:23
Spicie Boy: Do you think that planning relief pitching in such a way that a pitcher new going into a game exactly when he would pitch, so as to limit warming up multiple times per game, warming up for games he doesn’t pitch in, pitching multiple days in a row, etc. would allow teams to get more innings out of relievers?
3:24
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, maybe not more innings (but maybe more innings) but perhaps quality of appearances would be altered.
3:25
Jake: Gabriel Arias, Kristian Robinson and Ronny Marucio.  Who has highest ceiling and who highest floor?
3:25
Eric A Longenhagen: Ceiling: If Mauricio stays at SS and hits and hits for power
3:26
Eric A Longenhagen: Floor: Arias’ glove at SS
3:26
Reagan: can anyone see this?
3:27
Eric A Longenhagen: No, go back to sleep, Mr. President.
3:28
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s all for me. Look forward to talking to you again next Thursday. Remember, the Fall Stars Game is broadcast on MLB Network this Saturday. I assume it’ll be online via the MLB.com homepage, too. There’s a lot of talent on the rosters and I think you’d enjoy it.

Kiley McDaniel Chat – 11/7/18

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12:13

Kiley McDaniel: Hello all from the almost empty Atlanta house, which will hopefully be filled by next week’s chat

12:14

Kiley McDaniel: ICYMI, we posted a top 50 free agents thing that I did the rankings/predictions for: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2019-top-50-free-agents/

12:14

Kiley McDaniel: And then all the stuff Cistulli wouldn’t let in the formal rankings, including buzz on timetables and under the radar spending teams went here: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-free-agency-analysis-fangraphs-doe…

12:14

Kiley McDaniel: I’ll have one more offseason-focused article probably going up tomorrow and I’m editing a podcast with some FA talk as well

12:15

Kiley McDaniel: Now to your questions, which also appear to be offseason-focused

12:16

Tommy N.: Do you think a Donaldson three year deal to the Padres makes sense?

12:18

Kiley McDaniel: 3 year deal is what I projected and I think makes the most sense, but not sure if he fits with SD or really, on a larger scale, what SD is doing with the lineup. Mejia (C, maybe backup/supersub), Hosmer (1B), Urias (2B, maybe SS), Margot (CF) seems like the locks.

12:19

Kiley McDaniel: Then where do you put Wil Myers? Is Hedges/Mejia the C tandem or do you upgrade? I assume you acquire a SS and Spangenberg is a bench bat/Urias insurance. Renfroe, Franmil, et al in the OF could all best fit as part-time wait-and-see types or backups or traded, though Franmil seems ahead of Renfroe.

12:20

Kiley McDaniel: I wrote that there’s talk SD may make a splash and spend some money, particularly in the Eovaldi/Keuchel/Corbin high end range and the kids are coming with Tatis, Paddack, Logan Allen and Naylor all probably showing up at some point

12:21

Kiley McDaniel: Is this the time to spend on another Hosmer-like investment or take a breath and see what you have, then spend next year?

12:21

Kiley McDaniel: I could see SD either being a little too aggressive or standing pat. To be clear, I think standing pat and addings some lower investment FAs is the right path at this point

12:22

Kiley McDaniel: So, I guess my answer is no?

12:22

Larry: So if the Marlins want a position player and pitcher from Atlanta for Realmuto, what does that look like? Riley and Soroka?

12:22

Kiley McDaniel: Those two probably make the most sense, and if you had to add a third piece, it wouldn’t be much

12:23

Lazzaro Da Fietta: Dodgers’ K. Ruiz and A. Verdugo to Marlins for Realmuto. Who says no?

12:23

Kiley McDaniel: I think LA says no and tries to get him for a little less, but they first need to find out if Grandal is taking the QO

12:23

Kiley McDaniel: but that isn’t way off

12:23

Wilt Chamberlain’s cousin: Myers, Naylor, Lauer and Hedges for Segura Paxton and Colome. Who says no?

12:24

Kiley McDaniel: Nowhere near enough. Paxton and Segura were in the 40’s on the trade value list. Hedges/Lauer/Naylor don’t have a ton of trade value, more secondary pieces for big deals

12:24

West Coast Wreck: Do you get the sense the Marlins are just as concerned with perception rather than talent when making trades. They seem to be after known names instead of best talent in trade rumors for PR reasons.

12:25

Kiley McDaniel: They are more focused on PR than the average team, absolutely. When you’re rebuilding you kinda have to be, since you still need to sell tickets and have the fanbase interested or else revenue goes way down. That said, Miami has some perception issues in their market and in the media/industry so they’re more aware of it than even an average rebuilding club

12:25

CJ: All these rumors and speculation around trading Soroka. The Braves wouldn’t do that would they?

12:25

Kiley McDaniel: In the right deal where they deem they’re getting fair value in return, I think he is.

12:26

Lilith: Cody Reed, Amir Garrett, Robert Stephenson, Brandon Finnegan… All of these guys were once top prospects and they’ve all failed to live up to expectations. The first question is why do you think the Reds have failed to fully develop these once promising pitching prospects? The second question is, do you think hiring Derek Johnson could lead to them possibly salvaging their careers and living up to the promise they once had? Thanks

12:26

Kiley McDaniel: Don’t know enough about the specific issues each guy has worked on to say there’s a common cause, but DJ is well respected in the game, so that’s a good move

12:27

Captain Moonlight: What’s going on with the Astros’ analytics department?

12:27

Kiley McDaniel: Top guys are choosing to leave. That’s not a good thing. You’ll hear a lot of stories/theories, but that’s the part we can all agree on.

12:28

Captain Moonlight: Besides just lots of years/money/opt outs, what sorts of creative contract wrinkles could teams add to sweeten the deal for Harper/Machado?

12:29

Kiley McDaniel: I mentioned market size/endorsement chances/fun place to live, state income tax and team quality as some value adds that aren’t in the topline numbers here: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-free-agency-analysis-fangraphs-doe…

12:30

Bees Knees: My guess is Boras/Harper will be seeking the most guaranteed money and the highest AAV, and it won’t matter who pays. I’m predicting 10/$330M with the first five years at $38M/season, and the last five years at $28M/season, with an opt out after year 5. That sounds… reasonable, no?

12:30

Kiley McDaniel: I could see that. There’s a lot of options for how to construct the deal to both get the buzzy numbers high and also maximize earnings

12:30

Brady : Would doubling every bonus slot amount in the draft be a reasonable alternative to the current structure? In that case, would Casey mize be worth $14 million?

12:32

Kiley McDaniel: The value drops off faster than the slots do.  I’d say Mize is somewhere in the 30’s. We actually have a piece coming about this very topic next week

12:32

NotGraphs Revivalist: Wright+Riley+Wilson+Teheran+Allard for Gallo+Leclerc. Braves get their corner OF and closer and dump Teheran’s salary. Rangers double the number of top 100 prospects in their system. Who says no?

12:32

Kiley McDaniel: LOL just reminding you guys what the average trade proposal in the queue looks like

12:33

billsaints: CC for $8 mil. Yanks must be happy with that in a ‘that’s one less thing to worry about, know what I’m gonna get’ kind of way.

12:34

Kiley McDaniel: And, free of the self-imposed salary cap, the bad scenario is you acquire pitching and bump him out of the top 5, and he’s an $8M long man with a loaded rotation and a huge payroll…which isn’t a problem. Okay, I guess not getting any more pitchers would be a bigger problem

12:34

Rays Fans: Hey there-a Kiley, first time long time. Is there enough middle-infield depth for the Rays to put together a package for Realmuto that doesn’t involve giving up Franco, Sanchez, Honeywell, or one of their first round arms from 2018?

12:35

Kiley McDaniel: Article for tomorrow is about this topic and this exact question is addressed. The answer is probably not!

12:35

Adam: Hunter Renfroe for Johan Carmago make any sense with Austin Riley on the way for the Braves?

12:36

Kiley McDaniel: Nope! It’s not clear Renfroe is good.

12:36

Bees Knees: Would a Kyle Tucker-centered package be too much for J.T. Realmuto?

12:36

Kiley McDaniel: Apparently my Realmuto article is exactly what the people want

12:36

Jake: Trevor Bauer said some stupid stuff on twitter about his and Kluber’s trade value. Are teams factoring his difficult “character” when they make a bid for him? Or are there even teams that don’t want him at all?

12:36

Kiley McDaniel: Some care more than others, but the shorter term the contract and the better your team, generally-speaking, the less you care

12:37

____: BVW said he considers Alonso to be an above-average defensive 1B.  I know that’s outside the industry consensus now, but does Alonso have a chance of getting there eventually?

12:37

Kiley McDaniel: I mean nothing is impossible, but that might be

12:38

Shameless Cardinals Homer: Who is the best/worst prospect of Malcom Nunez, Nolan Gorman, Elehuris Montero and WHY?

12:38

Kiley McDaniel: That list is coming I believe next week, but you can look here for a sneak peek of about what that list will look like: https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/?type=&pos=&team=stl

12:38

Shor: How does Farhan’s hiring in SF change the org

12:40

Kiley McDaniel: Bigly. This would appear to lead to a top-down reevaluation of everything in the org, which could lead to Astros-level progressive/analytics embrace to more of a Dodgers/Yankees let’s use all of resources and try to balance both approaches, with the latter far more likely. Could be lots of front office/personnel changes or very few and some more gentle adjustments over the next few years.

12:41

NotGraphs Revivalist: Two outrageous BVW comments on MLBTR today:

1. No player is off-limits but the topic of payroll has not even been broached in any detail with ownership
2. Tebow could make the MLB roster “if he wows us” at Spring Training (BVW was Tebow’s agent)

12:42

Kiley McDaniel: 1. BVW could mean that specific number weren’t discussed but “keeping it about where it is” or “modest increases” is enough for early planning
2. This is embarrassing b/c Tebow isn’t even close to earning this on merit. If you’re rebuilding and want a  distraction, then sure. BVW is saying that they are competing AND he was just Tebow’s agent, so this looks really bad given his other statements.

12:47

Kiley McDaniel: I tend to think BVW is just being charitable and saying “anything could happen” and Tebow just happens to be a former client, but he’s also tasked with two main focuses early on:

1. Appearing truly being impartial toward NYM players he used to rep vs. ones he didn’t
2. Improving the perception of the Mets in general

This actively hurts both of those pursuits and BVW could’ve easily just said something generic like “every player will be given an opportunity commensurate with their performance” or whatever and accomplish both things. Unforced error when messaging is supposed to be a strength for him and the Wilpons care about media coverage/appearances.

12:47

Kiermaier’s Piercing Green Eyes: Do you think Harper is looking for opt-outs in his deal? When you’re looking for 10+ years, 400MM+ dollars, I can’t imagine any universe where you opt out of a contract like that.

12:49

Kiley McDaniel: For huge deals, teams will be hesitant to guarantee every dollar that Harper/Boras thinks they deserve and could deserve. So get the important years (first 5 or so) at the correct number that everyone can agree on, then get an opt out so you can go get paid again if you’re MVP-level 5 years from now, but if you go down the tubes, you’ve got another $150M coming. No one is expecting Harper to be MVP level 5 years from now, so he won’t get paid like that, but it’s more possible for him than almost any free agent since A-Rod, so you need to be flexible in case it happens.

12:49

Rick Sanchez: Your guess for first free agent who signs for more than $50m guaranteed?

12:50

Kiley McDaniel: I’ll guess Corbin. It’s likely one of the pitchers and Eovaldi’s market will be much deeper, so may take longer to sort out.

12:51

NotGraphs Revivalist: Can you try to describe the Fangraphs work culture in three words?

12:51

Kiley McDaniel: shirtless cistulli ugh

12:52

NotGraphs Revivalist: Welcome to Atlanta! Think we could see a good ol’ southern FG meet up sometime?

12:52

Kiley McDaniel: Maybe? What’s the interest like for an event like that?

12:53

Kiley McDaniel:

Meetup

I would come meet Kiley at a place in ATL (50.6% | 39 votes)
Gross. Pass. (49.3% | 38 votes)

Total Votes: 77
12:53

GraphsFan: KIley’s chatting? Kiley’s chatting. Kiley’s chatting!

12:54

Kiley McDaniel: Scout has her head on my leg so I think she’s legally chatting as well

12:54

Wayne: Who do you believe the Braves value more between Pache and Riley. They seem to be the main two position players prospects we can dangle. Pretty good debate among us ATL fans.

12:55

Kiley McDaniel: Almost certain it’s Pache, which is also how we have them ranked.

12:55

Tommy N.: Thing with signing Donaldson for the Padres would be they move Myers back to LF and trade Renfroe

12:58

Kiley McDaniel: Yeah, I mean that could work. By the end of 2019 it would be something like Myers-Margot-Franmil in the OF, Donaldson-Tatis-Urias-Hosmer in the IF, Mejia at C, some combo of Paddack-Richard-Lucchesi-Allen-Lauer-Perdomo-Lamet-Nix at SP

12:59

Kiley McDaniel: I mean that’s better, not sure paying retail prices for Hosmer/Donaldson really gets you closer to the playoffs in 2019, so why not hold back one more year?

12:59

Doug: Do you see the Braves just trading Teheran away for a low level back of pack prospect just to get his 11 million off the books and open a spot? Or does he have more value than that? Or need to eat salary to move him? Thanks!!

12:59

Kiley McDaniel: Yeah, I think that’s the most likely outcome

12:59

James: Jones, Canning and Marsh get Realmuto?

12:59

Kiley McDaniel: Yeah, that should get you in the final group, not sure that’s definitely the best offer

1:00

Orioles : Any chance we dip into the Agent pool and go after Close? Can you shed some light on if the industry (specifically Clark and the PA) are worried about Close switching sides next?

1:00

Kiley McDaniel: To be clear, I don’t think hiring an agent in general is a good idea. It’s such a different job. Any one case could work, but this isn’t a new front office pool that every owner needs to be closely evaluating.

1:00

carrotjuice: Trade proposal: 9 House seats for a Senate seat and a house seat to be named later who hangs up first?

1:00

Kiley McDaniel: TOPICAL

1:01

J.T Realmuto Trade Proposal Hour: Does Jesus Sanchez, Nick Solak, Lucius Fox and Resly Linares get J.T. to Tampa?

1:02

Kiley McDaniel: That gets you in the conversation for sure, not sure that finishes the deal

1:02

Ken Lay: Does Andujar for Senzel make sense for both teams? NYY could use a better glove at 3B, CIN has a soft outfield? Even if neither team would do it, is this way off value wise? Trading a year of proven performance  for a year of service time? If not, who would need to add?

1:02

Kiley McDaniel: Reasonable on talent, wouldn’t say that’s impossible but don’t think CIN moves Senzel

1:03

lIKE: What would be some of the criteria to power ranking organizations development systems

1:04

Kiley McDaniel: Strictly minor league player development is the once aspect of a front office that I think is kinda impossible to quantify. How do you know what percentage of a player improving is development or just good scouting that this guy is the type that would improve? For the system I’m making that I alluded to a few weeks ago, I’m attributing all that improvement to scouting and folding PD into a front office grade with GM and pro scouting as a sort of catch-all good process/decision making, but even that is still hard to nail down an empirical method for value

1:05

Matt W: Am I crazy that the top free agents I want the Mets to go after are the recently departed Astros analytics guys?

1:05

Kiley McDaniel: It’s rare to have guys this proven and high-ranking hitting the market, so not crazy

1:05

brad: Kiley, we haven’t seen this much in baseball but a lot more in basketball (I think)  Would harper sign with Philly with the thought that Trout will join him there in two years?

1:06

Kiley McDaniel: LOL Boras won’t allow feelings and/or friendships and/or hope to get in the way of a SWEET PAYDAY, BRO

1:06

Jake: Was the Indians’ decision not to QO M.Brantley a mistake? You have him at 3/45, so he wouldn’t have taken 1/18, right?

1:07

Kiley McDaniel: Yeah, perfect world they would’ve done it. I believe I read they didn’t since he may accept and then they have to pay at least half of it before they can trade him and they need to cut money. One negative of going for it in a middle market with a maxed out payroll–you’re gonna miss out on some opportunities

1:07

Art: Wait, so you’ve moved from Florida -> Atlanta -> Florida -> Atlanta again?

1:07

Kiley McDaniel: There’s one more state in the middle of that but yes

1:08

Bryan in Boise : Eovaldi looking at 4 years, 64 Million?

1:08

Kiley McDaniel: Probbaly the most he’ll get, but possible

1:08

Aaron: I’ll drink and talk baseball with anyone that will listen.

1:09

Kiley McDaniel: 24 of you have already said yes, which is a pretty high %age of you that are in here currently which seems…fishy

1:10

Kiley McDaniel:

Wait a minute

I’m lying, I’m not coming to ATL (43.5% | 17 votes)
I’m flying to ATL (25.6% | 10 votes)
I still pass, you hella boring bruh (30.7% | 12 votes)

Total Votes: 39
1:11

Brian CashGod: I don’t live in Atlanta, but would love a meetup in DC / NOVA if it ever happens! And shoot, I still need to see the Braves new ballpark, so if an ATL meetup was during a Braves homestand and was advertised early enough, I could go!

1:11

Kiley McDaniel: It is a solid ballpark with surprisingly good food in the area around it

1:11

Maximum Munchies: Are we in store for another silent winter as teams just sit and refuse to spend much?

1:12

Kiley McDaniel: I think there’s too much money that just got handed to GMs for it to be the same. We don’t know how much better it will be, tho. Still not a ton of irrational/emotional owners dictating changes, but there’s a few, which is more than last winter

1:13

Dystopian Future: Kiley you left Florida? I disapprove.

1:13

Kiley McDaniel: I was trying to eliminate my bad character traits per Eric’s last chat

1:13

James: Is it wrong to go online just to laugh at people making ridiculous trade proposals?

1:13

Kiley McDaniel: There’s so many other things to laugh at, but that’s a good one

1:15

Kiley McDaniel: Also, more than a couple GMs have mentioned things to me that they first read in this chat and I’m not unique, many of them read most of these sorts of chats from other writers, so you guys are getting exposure

1:15

The Old Buccaneer: Do see the Giants targeting Chaim Bloom for their GM position? Would that be considered a promotion for him?

1:15

Kiley McDaniel: Rosenthal said he didn’t think so and I tend to agree. Not a clear step up from TB

1:15

Curiosity Seeker: I’m wondering about a mashup/kegger in Vegas…I missed the one in Denver, but I would fly to Sin City…

1:16

Kiley McDaniel: Yes, I will be in Vegas for the winter meetings and, if there’s no trades, I’ll have almost nothing to do

1:16

Kiley McDaniel: well prospect lists, but nothing like specifically time sensitive during that week

1:16

RDJR8: I am now envisioning you sitting in some large room alone with a big “FanGraphs Atlanta Meetup” banner in the background”

1:16

Kiley McDaniel: why do you think I made a poll

1:16

Kiley McDaniel: this is why I don’t write books, bc the book signings would be my main nightmare

1:17

Ken Lay: Regarding the one other state….how was living in Alaska?

1:17

Kiley McDaniel: had to go on the lam to get away from johnny law and found some likeminded outlaws

1:17

Kiley McDaniel: learned to catch salmon with my bare hands

1:18

Kiley McDaniel: had my hands ripped off by a bear

1:18

Kiley McDaniel: it hurt but i appreciated the symmetry

1:20

Lilith: 3 neutral brainstormer common

1:20

Kiley McDaniel: oh, i guess we’re there

1:21

A Tribe Called Kipnis: If you’re in Vegas and have nothing to do, go see Donny and Marie at the Flamingo.

1:21

Brian CashGod: Alaska = IRL Red Dead Redemption, apparently

1:21

Rick: You type well for no hands

1:21

Matt Damon: MATT. DAMON.

1:21

ELECTION TAKEZ: RON. PAUL. 2012.

1:21

ELECTION TAKEZ: RONALD. ACUNA. 2020

1:21

Pat Mahomes: PAT. MAHOMES.

1:22

Kiley McDaniel: This ballot is full of enticing candidates. See you guys next week!

Eric Longenhagen Chat: 11/8/18

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2:01
Eric A Longenhagen: Howdy howdy howdy, let’s do the thing…
2:01
RIP McCovey: What is your take on the Farhan Zaidi hire for the Giants and the sentiment that he could move Bumgarner?
2:03
Eric A Longenhagen: I dig the hire, Zaidi seems capable of helming a club. I’m skeptical that about Bum being good when the Giants are good again, so I think it makes sense to explore the idea of moving him.
2:04
Junction Jack: What’s the buzz around JB Bukauskas in Arizona? The stuff has looked very sharp from what I have seen.
2:05
Eric A Longenhagen: He looks good. 94-96, t98, four pitch mix, everything has flashed plus. Changeup hasn’t been as good nor used as heavily of late. Don’t think the fastball plays like 95+ because this is a small guy who also has a short stride and I tend to think of him as a nasty multi-inning relief piece more than a true 170+ inning starter, but he is good.
2:05
Jim Leyland Palmer: Have you gotten to see much of Daz Cameron in the fall league? What do you think the Tigers have in him?

2:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Yep. Basically the same guy he was in high school, which is to say he has a bunch of 50 and 55 tools, is going to stay in CF and be a very solid everyday player.
2:06
Dingu: Julio Pablo Martinez has put up really strong numbers in the AFL. Anything different from your perspective?
2:07
Eric A Longenhagen: I’ll give JP all fall before I really make up my mind, in part because he has really performed, but I think there’s real 4th OF risk there.
2:07
Sharon: Thoughts on Jazz Chisholm? Does he have the skill set to jump into the top 50 this offseason?
2:07
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s aggressive but not crazy.
2:07
Brew Crew: Who gets more, Paxton or Realmuto? Hiura too much for either?
2:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Realmuto does. I think there are argument on both sides of the Hiura question. If you twisted my arm I’d move him for Realmuto but not for Paxton.
2:09
FanGraph’s Lurker: Now that the Rays have traded for Zunino, what will they do with all their middle infield depth? a 40man roster can only protect so many. Do you thin the rays pull off a trade? get creative with positions? a mix of both?
2:10
Eric A Longenhagen: I think it will be a combo. I expect to seesome of the MIFs to see time in the OF and, generally, for TB to be creative with usage. But I also think they’ll consolidate on the fringes of the 40-man.
2:10
Scuffy Mcgee: Do you find anything interesting with the fact that Turner Ward left LA for the same job in…Cincinnati?
2:11
Eric A Longenhagen: The assumption that people act rationally would lead you to conclude that something other than $ or title drove his decision, but I don’t know speifics.
2:11
Bearry: Heredia seems to have stalled, but steamer is actually projecting a higher ISO and wRC than he has ever put up. Do you see him having more to offer?
2:12
Eric A Longenhagen: .250/.330/.360 or so, maybe a little better if he faces a ton of lefties
2:12
Kiermaier’s Piercing Green Eyes: Michael Plassmeyer: 35+ on THE BOARD, filthy results. What’s the blurb on him?
2:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Toss out his stats, folks. This was a Big 12 arm in the Northwest League. He’s a quick-moving middle relief candidate. Plus change, avg breaker.
2:13
2:14
Eric A Longenhagen: I think folks drawing conclusions about Madrigal based on his late-summer stats are misguided. Hoerner does look wonderful, though.
2:15
Nate: Did you get to see Evan Kruczynski play in the fall league? Can you give me a report on him?
2:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Yup. 89-92 t93, big frame, really gets down the mound, four pitch mix of mostly average stuff, locates, sequences. He’s solid. Pretty easy to see some kind of big league role i the bullpen or back of rotation.
2:16
Kyle: thoughts on Jake Fraley? I see going into 2017 he was a 40 FV but he’s been hurt a lot.  Seems he underwent a swing change that helped his power output.  His last posted game power grade was 20/30, what would it be now?  .407 babip obviously isnt sustainable but is a relaistic future role?
2:17
Eric A Longenhagen: No change to his gb% so I’ll dispute the notion of a swing change unless there’s visual evidence. I have him in as a 4th OF.
2:17
The Dude: Have you seen Austin Allen in the AFL yet?  Thoughts on whether he can stay behind the dish?
2:18
Eric A Longenhagen: I have and do not think he catches, but I will warn you that catching in the AFL (after you’ve been doing it all year and are now asked to catch an entire new staff) is hard and performance here can be misleading.
2:18
Sox not Saux: I’m trying to tell myself moving Carson Fulmer to the pen could turn him into a useful pitcher, but he looked SO bad as a starter.  Part of me says he might just not be that good (esp without added velocity).  Can he be saved?
2:19
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, that’s a talented guy with desire to be good and I think he’ll find a proper niche eventually.
2:19
Dylan: What does a Met package for Reamulto look like? Gimenez, Alonso+? And does that package get easily topped by another team like Houston or Atlanta?
2:20
Eric A Longenhagen: BV was taking cellphone video of Alonso’s Fall Stars atbats like a proud dad watching a piano recital. Not sure they’re moving that guy.
2:20
Sox not Saux: 1-10 level of worry with Burdi at this point (given the velocity readings in AFL)?  Still hope for the mph to keep trending up or is he going to be stuck missing several ticks from his pre-surgery form?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Typically I’d say you should chill and see what happens, but the fact that he was 93-95 when he came back during the summer and still 93-95 here in AFL, was no bueno. He’s been shut down due to fatigue. I’m actually kinda worried.
2:22
Anthony: Meibrys Viloria a potential regular?
2:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Catching is so bad right now that I have to say yes
2:23
Lilith: Stephenson, Reed, Garrett and Finnegan were all once great prospects that faded once getting to AAA or to Cincinnati. What did the Reds do to them to destroy their development? And does the Derek Johnson hiring mean that there’s hope that they can be fixed?
2:24
Eric A Longenhagen: I was never Stephenson guy but I was on Reed and Garrett. Yeah, I think the consistent failure to develop so many of these arms means it was time for a change. I don’t know a ton about Johnson, though.
2:24
Rique: Is  Nate Pearson destined for the bullpen?  Injury history and showing that he can throw 103 in short stints seems to make it an obvious landing spot for him.
2:25
Eric A Longenhagen: Don’t consider it his destiny as much as a perfectly fine fallback option
2:26
Salty: Great job at First Pitch….what’s a more likely outcome for Christian Pache – 15-20 HR seasons or < 10 HRs with 25-30 SB upside?  And do you think he’ll get a spring training invite next spring?
2:27
Eric A Longenhagen: I’d bet on the HRs more than the steals. Between his aggressiveness and lack of breaking ball recog, I don’t anticipate he’ll reach base enough to swipe that many bags, but he will run ino a bunch of hangers and yank them out.
2:29
Gavin: Could Jesse Winker be the centerpiece for a deal for Kluber, Carrasco, or Paxton?
2:29
Eric A Longenhagen: I think other teams would trump that with better talent, but I think you’ve correctly identified Cleveland’s immediate need for OF help and I do think someone who could offer them it makes sense as a trade partner.
2:29
Greg: The Angels right now project as the 5th best team in the AL.  Do they have any prospects close enough to the majors to contribute to a possible 2019 playoff push?
2:30
Eric A Longenhagen: Yeah, I’m not a huge Thaiss guy but he might be a Pujols upgrade, Jose Suarez and Griffin Canning could be in the rotation at some point.
2:30
Pad Squad: Padres will need an impact third baseman come 2020. If you were them, who would you most aggressively pursue between Machado, Donaldson, Arenado, A. Rendon or a trade for Jose Ramirez?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: Arenado
2:31
Pad Squad: Padres minor league system has very few impact position players after Tatis, Jr. They want to be the next Astros, but they’ll need their Bregman, Altuve, Springer, Correa, etc. Do you think they need to deal hordes of prospects in order to get impact positional talent back, or would you like to see them play it out?
2:31
Eric A Longenhagen: You asked, and I answered, this exact question last week.
2:31
Hawk: What do you think of SJU Hawks chances in the A10 this year?
2:32
Eric A Longenhagen: ¯\_(?)_/¯
2:32
Cito’s Mustache: Do you still see Zack Collins as primarily a 1B? The White Sox seem very optimistic that he’ll stick at C.
2:34
Eric A Longenhagen: He could maybe catch the right kind of pitcher. Like he might be passable catching someone like Dunning but I wouldn’t want him catching Giolito. Also please consider that teams have incentive to publicly embellish the abilities of their own players.
2:35
Colin: Hi Eric! Do any significant swing/approach changes account for Monte Harrison’s success in the AFL or did he just have a nice few weeks?
2:36
Eric A Longenhagen: I strongly dislike the changes he has made and think the hand path, not the leg kick which was taken away, is the crux of his issues.
2:36
Mike: Melvin Adon, closer potential based on AFL?
2:37
Eric A Longenhagen: If he can locate that slider consistently, yeah.
2:37
Jake: Obviously, you’re very high on Rocchio. All the more surprised I was to not see Marcos Gonzalez on your Indians list, despite some pedigree and good performance. What is your report on him?
2:39
Eric A Longenhagen: He’s okay. More of a utility look than everyday guy for me right now. Rocchio has special bat to ball skills.
2:40
Andy J: Dustin May + Keibert Ruiz for Realmuto. Is this a good starting point and what level prospect would the Dodgers need to add to entice Miami?
2:41
Eric A Longenhagen: Thats not a bad start. I’d probably want two more guys I like in the 40-45 FV area, but I woudn’t be offended by that initial foundation.
2:42
NotGraphs Revivalist: Is Josh Donaldson the best value on the FA market?
2:42
Eric A Longenhagen: If he totally rebounds, yeah. I don’t know if he will, he did not look as mobile last September.
2:43
Sandy Ravage: Do you think Bubba Thompson could break the top 50 this year or next? Seems to be regarded as a sleeper with a high ceiling
2:44
Eric A Longenhagen: Wouldnt call him a sleeper because he’s a famous, two sport prospect and former first round pick. But sure, his combo of tools and performance are hard to argue against if he keeps hitting. He’s basically trending the same way Trammell was a year ago.
2:45
Ginny: Do you take the over or under on Fletcher’s 1.9 WAR steamer projection next year?
2:45
Eric A Longenhagen: Under
2:45
____: Desmond Lindsay change his stock at all this Fall?
2:46
Eric A Longenhagen: Looks a little leaner and not as tightly wound, which I like. Swing is pretty grooved, though. I’m still in the boom/bust camp there.
2:46
Jkim: There are reports that Dodgers want to remain under the tax for the foreseeable future. Not a #fraudman twitter guy, but I feel that the fans should be rightufully pissed by this
2:47
Eric A Longenhagen: Sure, fans should feel free to pressure ownership into funding the team.
2:48
Dr. Popper: Does Corbin Burnes open 2019 in the rotation (if after the off-season there is a spot open) or do you think he’s going to be more of a bullpen arm going forward?
2:48
Eric A Longenhagen: Rotation
2:49
Bennum: Missouri is an SEC school.
2:49
Eric A Longenhagen: duh, my bad
2:49
Inquisitive A’s Fan: Do Skye Bolt and Luis Barrera earn 40 man spots with Oakland or do they get exposed to the Rule 5 draft?
2:51
Eric A Longenhagen: That’s tough. I’d take Barrera.  Even though I don’t love how his hands work in the box and I feel better about Bolt hitting some, Barrera has other stuff going for him: 7 speed and arm, some lift, maybe a tweaked swing yields something significant.
2:52
DJR: I’m in a weird spot. I enjoy the fact Scott Boras really always gets his guys massive amounts of money – to make up for how poorly players are paid in their first six years. But I absolutely detest every sentence to spew from his mouth and wonder why he can’t soeak like a human
2:55
Eric A Longenhagen: I kinda said my piece about this on Twitter. I wouldn’t use language quite as strong as you to describe how I feel about Boras’ desire to speak in mono-soundbyte, but I do think it’s tacky despite having tremendous respect for his work and importance.
2:58
Eric A Longenhagen: Either this is Boras’ actualy personality and he has freshman English teacher jokes for us, or this is a calculated thing he does because he knows it gets attention in the media. If it’s the latter, then I guess my beef is with how manipulative and glib that is. Boras is an important figure in baseball, he’s at the center of labor issues that are common throughout our culture but more visible in baseball. It’d be nice if he were, at times, sincere and use his platform to actually educate instead of quip.
2:59
Bob: Why are left-handed pitchers always more highly coveted than righties? They have the platoon disadvantage more often than not
2:59
Eric A Longenhagen: There are folks in FO’s who ask this exact question
3:00
Spicie Boy: What caused scouts to “miss” on Harrison Bader’s defense? Nearly everybody had his glove as a 45/50 “tweener” type
3:00
Eric A Longenhagen: Keep in mind that Bader Kelly Leak’d Marcel Ozuna a bunch because of Ozuna’s shoulder and that probably had an impact on his defensive metrics.
3:00
Greg: Daulton Varsho has 7 steals in the AFL.  Is speed a legitimate part of his game?
3:01
Eric A Longenhagen: yes
3:01
Enrique: Is there a fan graphs scheduled event coming to Chicago any time soon? Can I make a request for one, would love to have you guys here.  Anywhere on the site I can find upcoming events? Thanks
3:02
Eric A Longenhagen: We (well, Meg and I) have kicked around the notion of some kind of FG tour. If others feel this way, say so to Dark Overlord Appelman via the internet.
3:02
Bilbo: Are you a Freudis Nova fan?
3:02
Eric A Longenhagen: yes
3:04
Pickle Nick: Chances Andrew Vaughn goes in the top 5 of next years draft as a short R/R first baseman?
3:04
Eric A Longenhagen: 25%?
3:04
Doug: After a slow start, Cavan Biggio has really turned it on in the AFL. Do you think he’ll get a bump from his 40+ FV currently?
3:04
Eric A Longenhagen: Probably not
3:05
Your Dad: Where does Matt Chapman rank on the trade value list now?
3:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Hi dad!
3:06
Blue Jay Matt: Bichette’s game/style is most similar to which current or former big leaguer?
3:06
Eric A Longenhagen: Go watch Pablo Reyes hit. Bichette is a more explosive version of those mechanics.
3:07
Rick: How is Taylor Trammel looking? Any time in CF?
3:07
Eric A Longenhagen: Not playing great but looks fine, if that makes sense. Have only seen him in LF.
3:09
Eric A Longenhagen: Gonan rapid fire some for a few minutes, then bail…
3:09
____: What’s the highest you’d draft a relief-only guy?
3:10
Eric A Longenhagen: I think reliever usage is going to change enough very quickly that so will my answer to that question.
3:10
Reed: Not sure how much you pay attention to underclassmen, but how many of Vandy’s freshman and sophomore are worth paying attention to draft-wise?
3:12
Eric A Longenhagen: I think at least one of Martin/DeMarco are soph eligible. Gonzalez, Clarke, Eder were all interesting high schoolers but def college types for me. As far as incoming freshmen are concerned: https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2021-mlb-draft?type=0&po…
3:13
Jim Acosta’s Hairbursh: Johnny Peralta a good comp for Issac Paredes, or is that too lazy?
3:13
Eric A Longenhagen: Hands aren’t that good, but youh’ve got the body, bat, mobility issues all nailed
3:13
Rock Pile: Have you gotten any looks at Jesus Tinoco in the AFL? Any change in his stock recently or still mostly just a project that might never put it all together?
3:14
Eric A Longenhagen: Stock up for me becuse the curveall looks beter. 94-98, downhil plane, 60 curveball, I don’t think the slider/cutter thing works well though.
3:14
Rockie Dangerfield: I’m seeing some people cooling on Brendan Rodgers because he didn’t turn AAA into a scorched wasteland and hit the DL a few times.  Is he trending up, down, or steady for you right now?
3:14
Eric A Longenhagen: steady
3:14
JR: Which prospect do you and Kiley disagree on the most?
3:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Probably some teenage arm
3:15
NA: Which minor leaguer would make the best nfl nose guard?
3:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Curtis Terry
3:15
joe: Andy Young, looks like he should be on the Board for STL.
3:15
Eric A Longenhagen: Cards list drops first, he’ll be on there
3:16
NotGraphs Revivalist: Can we get a poll on that FG tour idea
3:16
Eric A Longenhagen:
Would you attend some kind of live FanGraphs thing at a local venue?

yes (92.6% | 38 votes)
 
no (7.3% | 3 votes)
 

Total Votes: 41
3:17
Eppler: What don’t you like about Thaiss?
3:17
Eric A Longenhagen: lack of power and 40 glove. He was a 2018 swing changer, though.
3:17
Clearance Beakes: I know it is early but how does the 2019 draft shape up in terms of top end talent and depth compared to 2018?
3:18
Eric A Longenhagen: college-heavy, light on pitching. In general it’s about the same at the very top.
3:19
matzabal: At what level does scouting the stat sheet become more useful than not? HiA? AA? LoA?
3:19
Eric A Longenhagen: AA but you still need to be careful of hitting environments
3:19
Jolly Joe Timmer: Coplay or Northampton?  Choose a side of the river
3:19
Eric A Longenhagen: Coplay. BIS is there and so are my Nana and Pop
3:19
Guest: Boros is dumb
3:19
Eric A Longenhagen: I agree, I’m a Dimir guy myself.
3:20
Ian: Is Dennis Santana destined to be a closer? Good stuff, lots of Ks but never pitched past the 6th inning all year.
3:20
Eric A Longenhagen: I think he has the stuff and command to start
3:20
Guest: Any chance you guys could just give the prospects page link its own place on the banner? It would make my life easier.
3:20
Eric A Longenhagen: Hover over “blogs” and it’s there
3:21
Tom: Heard anything about the Maryvale renovations?
3:22
Eric A Longenhagen: I was there a lot this fall and it was hectic. Huge alterations to the entire complex are underway. I didn’t see the finished product, though.
3:22
Alex: Is Newman or Tucker more likely to be the future SS of the Pirates?
3:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Tucker
3:22
Eric A Longenhagen: Okay, have to roll. Talk to you all next week.

So You Want to Trade for J.T. Realmuto

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Here’s what J.T. Realmuto looks like.
(Photo: Ian D’Andrea)

I decided while working on the Top 50 Free Agents post that it would make sense to also write up the top trade target on the market. Since new Mets GM Brodie Van Wagenen said the team plans to compete in 2019, it seems like Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard are unlikely to be dealt — or, at least not during the offseason. That points to J.T. Realmuto as the clear top trade target in the league (and No. 24 in July’s Trade Value Rankings) — and that’s before nearly half the questions in my chat on Wednesday were asking me how much it would cost for various teams to trade for Realmuto.

I could approach this from an insider-y perspective and tell you what teams are telling me the price probably is, but that approach is limited in a few ways. First off, I’m not sure anyone really knows what the price is: the Marlins have turned down strong offers for a year now and still seem inclined to try to extend Realmuto, even thoughhis agent said he’s not having it. Since Miami has this one major asset left to move in its rebuild, they may act irrationally, but the market pieces may be falling into place for someone to pay a price that justified this delay.

If forced to succinctly describe the current state of catching in the major leagues, I would say it sucks. I’ll let Mike Petriello to provide some details and point you to the positional leaderboard, but if you just tried to predict which catchers would be worth two-plus wins and remain at catcher primarily for the next five seasons, how many would you have? Realmuto is one, and if you think Willson Contreras and Gary Sanchez may play a lot more first base or get hurt or be inconsistent in this span, it’s possible that there isn’t another one. Being charitable, there’s just a handful, and they all cost a lot or aren’t available.

Putting all of this together, Realmuto offers the age-28 and age-29 seasons of the best long- and short-term catcher in the game, and he’ll cost between $15 million and $20 million for those seasons, depending on how his arbitration salaries work out. You have him long enough to make two runs at a title and get a comp pick at the end, an exclusive negotiating window for an extension, a non-risky length of a deal, and cheap enough salaries that any team can afford it.

What happens when we approach the a possible trade from a cold, economical standpoint? The first step is to establish a market value for Realmuto, as if he were a free agent and would only accept a two-year deal. Steamer projects Realmuto for 3.7 WAR in 2019, which I think can reasonably be pushed to 4.0 with framing. Call it 3.5 to 4.0 in 2020, as well, since he’s still in the prime years. A $9- to $10-million dollar per WAR figure is a generic value across all 30 teams, but with the supply/demand at catcher, motivated contenders with money to spend, and the short-term nature of the contract (along with the comp picks and negotiating window), you could argue that the retail price of this projection (two years, $75-80 million) is a starting point. I would think the bidding would settle somewhere just under $90 million in this hypothetical situation.

This coming Monday, we’ll be running a series by Craig Edwards that formally answers the question that writers often have to confront at this point in an article like this: how do you value prospects in terms of dollars? Without revealing too much of Craig’s research or the precise figures at which he arrives, I will give you an idea of what sort of tier of prospects should be in play for a Realmuto deal.

If we use round numbers and say Realmuto is worth $90 million and is getting paid $15 million, that’s a $75 million asset value, maybe a hair lower, as both numbers are on the aggressive side. If I asked you which prospects in baseball are definitely worth more than $70-75 million and you said only Vladimir Guerrero Jr., then you would be correct. That’s the only one.

Every other prospect in baseball “should” be on the table, but you can realistically eliminate a few more simply because the clubs don’t seem inclined to push all their chips in right now (the Twins with Alex Kirilloff and Royce Lewis, the Reds with Nick Senzel and Taylor Trammell), or they have multiple prospects just below this level, so they can still give a market value offer while holding back their top prospect (the Padres with Fernando Tatis Jr., the White Sox with Eloy Jimenez, the Rays with Wander Franco, the Braves with Cristian Pache, and the Astros with Kyle Tucker).

Of the teams that seem likely to bid aggressively on Realmuto, here’s some packages that make sense from the perspective of FanGraphs’ soon-to-be-released prospect asset values:

Atlanta Braves
It’s been reported that, in July, the Marlins turned down an offer of RHP Mike Soroka (No. 25 on the Top 100) and 3B Austin Riley (No. 28) for Realmuto. If we’re gonna say Realmuto is worth $70 million or so, a two-player package needs to be some multiple above that number, since the Marlins would prefer all of that value in one player. What’s the right number, though? Maybe 20% higher? We’ll research past trades and try to nail that down, but this offer is right about there. The Braves have nine more prospects in our Top 115 beyond these two and Pache, so the ammunition is clearly there. I would imagine the price is just a bit higher, for the market-based reasons to which I alluded earlier, so a solid third piece like LHP Kyle Muller should get it done, but maybe the Braves have deemed that too much.

Houston Astros
The Astros could deem RF Kyle Tucker (No. 8) off limits and still put together a strong two-player offer of RHP Forrest Whitley (No. 12) and LF Yordan Alvarez (No. 47), which essentially comes out to the same value as the Soroka/Riley offer. It’s unclear if Houston would trade Tucker or Whitley in a deal like this, but they could come up with the strongest offer, trading just one of them plus Alvarez and one more top-10 piece from their system, like RHP J.B. Bukauskas.

Tampa Bay Rays
The Rays have arguably the deepest system in the game, so it’s more a matter of picking the right pieces to move. I would imagine SS Wander Franco (No. 6) is off the table here, but that still leaves LHP/1B Brendan McKay (No. 14) and RHP Brent Honeywell (No. 23) as potential headliners. McKay and RF Jesus Sanchez (No. 46) would represent one example of a Rays two-player package that’s on par with Soroka/Riley and Whitley/Alvarez, possibly only needing a sweetener tossed in. That said, it looks like they just traded for Mike Zunino, so this is looking much less likely than when I started writing this post.

Washington Nationals
The Nats have long been tied to Realmuto and it’s unclear what their offseason strategy is, but it appears they’re still aiming to win the division in 2019. The name long tied to this deal is CF Victor Robles (No. 4), and he’s probably the best asset who will be discussed with Miami by any club. The asset values suggest a player in the 75- to 100-overall ranking would be the second piece to match up a two-player package with the aforementioned deals, but the Nationals have a shallow system.

SS Carter Kieboom (No. 10) in addition to Robles is a drastic overpay, and their third-best prospect in RHP Mason Denaburg (45+ FV, roughly No. 150 if we ranked that tier of prospect) was just drafted out of high school and is probably a little light. Obviously, young big leaguers who aren’t prospects can be added to make up this gap, so the Nats can make the best offer if they want, it’s just a little more difficult than it would be for other clubs.

Philadelphia Phillies
Top prospect RHP Sixto Sanchez (No. 16) has missed much of 2018 with various injuries, so his value isn’t as certain as it is for the players mentioned above. The Marlins could be wary of his health or just not want the risk of a pitcher who was pulled out of the Arizona Fall League. That said, if healthy, Sanchez is right there with Whitley as one of the top arms in the minors. With Sixto on the table, adding in recent third overall pick 3B Alec Bohm (No. 68) gets you within spitting distance of the two-player packages above, while Sanchez plus their second-best prospect RHP Adonis Medina (No. 40) is heavier than those offers but could land Realmuto using just two players.

Here are some less likely suitors that would still make some sense for a Realmuto trade, and their projected core offers:

Oakland A’s
LHP Jesus Luzardo (No. 31), LHP A.J. Puk (No. 38), but no clear third option with C Sean Murphy (No. 51) too heavy and other prospects a bit too light.

Milwaukee Brewers
2B Keston Hiura (No. 22), RF Tristen Lutz (No. 68), CF Corey Ray (No. 89).

Los Angeles Dodgers
Either C Will Smith (No. 29) or C Keibert Ruiz (No. 36), RF Alex Verdugo (No. 48), either RHP Dustin May (No. 106) or RHP Dennis Santana (No. 104).

The three clubs most often mentioned with Realmuto (Atlanta, Houston, and Washington) still seem most likely to end up with him, with the separator likely being which team is prepared to act most boldly.

An Update to Prospect Valuation

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By the numbers, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is worth almost twice as much as baseball’s next best prospect.
(Photo: Tricia Hall)

Over the years, a good deal of effort has been put into determining the value of prospects. Victor Wang, Scott McKinney (updated here), Kevin Creagh and Steve DiMiceli together, and Jeff Zimmerman have all published work on the subject, roughly in that order.

The reasoning behind such efforts is fairly obvious: teams trade prospects for proven players all the time. Finding an objective way to evaluate those trades is useful to better understanding how the sport operates. Indeed, FanGraphs has benefited from those prospect-valuation studies on multiple occasions.

With another year having passed, I’ve attempted to build on the work of others and produce updated valuations of my own. Previous efforts have been very helpful in the process, while the input of prospect analysts Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel has helped me find results that would be most useful.

In building this study, I set out with the following aims:

  • To separate players into as many useful tiers as possible without creating unnecessary distinctions.
  • To use as much data as possible so long as it was useful and likely still relevant today.
  • To make the valuations as forward-looking as possible.
  • To recognize that player development is not linear and that players appearing on prospect lists vary from major-league-ready to raw, Rookie-level talents.

To those various ends, here are some of the parameters of this study:

1. Baseball America’s top-100 lists from 1996 to 2010 serve as the foundation for prospect grades.
When I started the study, I looked at the lists dating back to 1990, separating out position players from pitchers and organizing by year. I found that the evaluations from the earlier part of the 90s — especially those for pitchers — had considerably worse outcomes than those that came after. I debated whether or not to throw out the data. Eventually, though, I decided that since 15 years of prospect numbers were showing decidedly different results, and that there was considerable turmoil occurring within the sport during that time — expansion, a strike, and a lockout — it seemed reasonable to toss the earlier years and go with the assumption that the 1996-2010 lists more accurately represented prospect evaluation today and going forward than the rankings of 25 years ago.

2. No prospect ranking was thrown out.
Some studies have taken only the final prospect valuation for an individual player and not the previous seasons’ rankings, as well. I thought it was important to use every data point possible, however. Just because a player is ranked 85th one season and then first the next year shouldn’t render the No. 85 ranking moot. Removing previous rankings throws out a lot of potentially valuable information. Many players move up the rankings from one season to the next season and capturing that effect is important to understanding the enterprise as a whole

3. Players were separated into tiers based on the 20-80 scouting scale.
Because Baseball America didn’t put grades on players for many of the years considered in this study, it was necessary to make estimates after the fact. Fortunately, in a piece he wrote for the 2016 Hardball Times Annual, Jeff Zimmerman approximated historical grades by looking at the publicly available grades BA had used in more recent seasons. To make this as forward-looking as possible, I consulted with Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel to get a sense, on average, of how many prospects in each tier are typically populating the minors. We came up with this:

Value Estimate for Players in the Top 100
Numerical Value Players
70 2
65 5
60 16
55 20
50 57

Separating players into group by scouting grade as opposed to a more arbitrary tiering system (for example, simply dividing players into groups of 10 or 25) has one distinct advantage — namely, that it more accurately reflects how talent is distributed. The gap in promise (and observed future value) between the 1st- and 10th-ranked prospect is often larger than the 50th- and 80th-ranked ones. Using the scouting grades allows us to capture these differences. And by grouping all of the 50-grade players together, for example, we get a lot more data points for that group and hopefully achieve more accurate results in the process.

Method

To determine surplus value for players, I used WAR produced over the first nine seasons of a career, including the season in which a prospect was ranked. Why nine years? In today’s game, most players don’t hit free agency until after their seventh major-league season. By examining nine seasons, it’s possible to account for prospects who were still a couple years away from the majors when they appeared on a top-100 list — as well as late-bloomers who might have bounced up and down between the majors and minors for a full season.

Of course, not all prospects continue to develop in the minor leagues after appearing on a top-100 list. Some debut in the majors right away. Due to the methodology outlined above, such players might be in a position to receive greater credit for their first nine seasons simply because they were closer to the majors when they were ranked. To accommodate this issue, I’ve spread out
a player’s WAR over the final seven seasons of the period in question, distributing 10% of it to years three and four before slightly gradually increasing that figure up to 20% by year nine. To calculate surplus value, I’ve discounted WAR by 3% in years No. 3 through 5 (to approximate the impact of the league-minimum salary) and then 15% in year six, 32% in year seven, 48% in year eight, and 72% in year nine. Spreading out the WAR in this way not only mimics a sort of generic “development curve” but also ensures that arbitration discounts aren’t too heavy.

After that, I applied an 8% discount rate for present value. For players immediately ready to play, the extra value they get from the eighth and ninth year is minimized by removing value they actually provided from the first two years and spreading into later seasons. This similarly ensures that the controllable years of players who take longer to develop or reach the majors aren’t treated the same way as those produced by players who contribute right away. A two-win season in 2019 is more valuable than a two-win season in 2021; and this method helps to strike that balance.

Because a lot of that might be confusing, here’s an example of the methodology applied to Jason Heyward’s career:

Jason Heyward Prospect Value
Actual to System WAR ARB Discount Present Day Discount
Season Actual WAR System WAR ARB Discount WAR After Discount Present Day Discount Present Day WAR Value
2009 0 0.0
2010 4.7 0.0
2011 1.9 2.7 0.97 2.6 .92^2 2.2
2012 5.3 2.7 0.97 2.6 .92^3 2.1
2013 3.1 3.6 0.97 3.5 .92^4 2.5
2014 4.7 3.6 0.85 3.1 .92^5 2.2
2015 5.6 4.6 0.68 3.1 .92^6 1.9
2016 1.0 4.6 0.52 2.4 .92^7 1.3
2017 1.0 5.5 0.28 1.5 .92^8 0.8
Total 27.3 27.3 18.9 13.0

Results

What follows are the present-day values of prospects based on the study performed above. The results are presented in present-day WAR and translated to a rough dollar figure based on $9 million as the cost of a win on the free-agent market. Keep in mind that the dollar figure isn’t a direct value, but rather equivalent value of a prospect relative to the free-agent market. Part of the reason prospects have such tremendous value is due to the suppressed salaries permitted by the CBA until a player has reached six years of service time. By translating the WAR figure into a monetary value, we can compare the value of prospects with the values of major-league players and their contracts. These values likely roughly approximate what an individual player might get as a signing bonus if he were declared a free agent and teams could only provide a signing bonus instead of a long-term contract.

For those of you who have read the piece up to this point, thank you. Hopefully it helped answer some questions you might have. For those who just scrolled down to see the dollar values, here you go:

Valuing Top-100 Prospects
Prospect Type 2018 $ Value* Players AVG WAR** MEDIAN WAR Standard Deviation Bust Rate (<1 Present Day WAR) Star Rate (>10 Present Day WAR)
70 POS $112 M 21 12.5 11.3 7.6 4.8% 57.1%
70 P $85 M 9 9.5 7.8 7.2 0.0% 44.4%
65 POS $62 M 47 6.9 5.5 6.4 18.8% 29.8%
65 P $64 M 28 7.1 6.7 6.1 14.3% 17.9%
60 POS $55 M 154 6.1 3.9 6.6 31.8% 27.3%
60 P $60 M 86 6.7 6.6 5.6 22.1% 25.6%
55 POS $46 M 178 5.1 2.9 6.5 36.5% 21.9%
55 P $34 M 122 3.7 2.2 4.6 39.3% 9.8%
50 POS $28 M 433 3.1 0.8 4.7 51.5% 9.9%
50 P $21 M 422 2.3 0.4 3.7 58.1% 5.7%
*$9M/WAR
**Present Day Value

As you can see, there’s an observed relationship between scouting grades and observed future WAR. A 70-grade position player is best, followed by a 70-grade pitcher. Interestingly, pitchers in the 60-65 FV range come out pretty much the same as their position-player compatriots. Top-level pitchers tend not to bust entirely, generally producing some kind of value. Once you drop a bit lower to the 55s and 50s, however, position players come out ahead, though that’s due less to pitchers busting more often than position players and more because position players are more likely to become stars. Over the past seven seasons, for example, roughly twice as many position players have reached the 20-win threshold than pitchers. There just aren’t as many slots to go around.

This post will be followed by two others, including one dedicated to 40- and 45-grade players, plus a second designed to value team farm systems as a whole.

Longenhagen and McDaniel go to great lengths to rank prospects within tiers — and not just present players in tiers with no further commentary — so while the numbers come out as one value per valuation, the rankings would serve little purpose if we simply placed the same value on all players with a 50 grade, particularly giving a pitcher ranked 55th a $21 million value while giving a hitter ranked 99th a $28 million value.

Sliding the numbers down the scale produces the following for Longenhagen and McDaniel’s top-131 prospects:

Valuing the Top-131 Prospects in Baseball
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
1 Vladimir Guerrero Jr TOR 3B 70 $112
2 Fernando Tatis Jr. SDP SS 65 $65
3 Eloy Jimenez CHW RF 65 $64
4 Victor Robles WSN CF 65 $64
5 Royce Lewis MIN SS 60 $56
6 Wander Franco TBR SS 60 $56
7 Bo Bichette TOR SS 60 $56
8 Kyle Tucker HOU RF 60 $55
9 Nick Senzel CIN 3B 60 $55
10 Carter Kieboom WSN SS 60 $55
11 Brendan Rodgers COL SS 60 $55
12 Forrest Whitley HOU RHP 60 $54
13 Taylor Trammell CIN CF 60 $54
14 Brendan McKay TBR LHP/1B 60 $54
15 Alex Kirilloff MIN RF 60 $54
16 Sixto Sanchez PHI RHP 60 $53
17 Jo Adell LAA RF 60 $53
18 Cristian Pache ATL CF 60 $53
19 Nick Madrigal CHW 2B 60 $53
20 MacKenzie Gore SDP LHP 55 $45
21 Luis Urias SDP 2B 55 $44
22 Keston Hiura MIL 2B 55 $44
23 Brent Honeywell TBR RHP 55 $44
24 Michael Kopech CHW RHP 55 $44
25 Michael Soroka ATL RHP 55 $43
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
26 Francisco Mejia SDP C 55 $43
27 Luis Robert CHW CF 55 $43
28 Austin Riley ATL 3B 55 $43
29 Will Smith LAD C 55 $42
30 Andres Gimenez NYM SS 55 $42
31 Jesus Luzardo OAK LHP 55 $42
32 Kyle Wright ATL RHP 55 $42
33 Casey Mize DET RHP 55 $41
34 Ke’Bryan Hayes PIT 3B 55 $41
35 Chris Paddack SDP RHP 55 $41
36 Keibert Ruiz LAD C 55 $41
37 Mitch Keller PIT RHP 55 $40
38 A.J. Puk OAK LHP 55 $40
39 Alex Reyes STL RHP 55 $40
40 Ian Anderson ATL RHP 55 $40
41 Adonis Medina PHI RHP 55 $40
42 Daz Cameron DET CF 55 $39
43 Isaac Paredes DET 3B 55 $39
44 Luiz Gohara ATL LHP 55 $39
45 Leody Taveras TEX CF 55 $39
46 Hunter Greene CIN RHP 50 $31
47 Jesus Sanchez TBR RF 50 $30
48 Yordan Alvarez HOU LF 50 $30
49 Alex Verdugo LAD RF 50 $30
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
50 Joey Bart SFG C 50 $30
51 Vidal Brujan TBR 2B 50 $29
52 Sean Murphy OAK C 50 $29
53 Danny Jansen TOR C 50 $29
54 Justus Sheffield NYY LHP 50 $29
55 Triston McKenzie CLE RHP 50 $28
56 Drew Waters ATL CF 50 $28
57 Touki Toussaint ATL RHP 50 $28
58 Brandon Marsh LAA CF 50 $28
59 Luis Patino SDP RHP 50 $27
60 Nick Gordon MIN SS 50 $27
61 Travis Swaggerty PIT CF 50 $27
62 Michel Baez SDP RHP 50 $27
63 Monte Harrison MIA CF 50 $26
64 Estevan Florial NYY CF 50 $26
65 Yu Chang CLE SS 50 $26
66 Zack Collins CHW 1B 50 $26
67 Peter Alonso NYM 1B 50 $25
68 Tristen Lutz MIL RF 50 $25
69 Alec Bohm PHI 3B 50 $25
70 Brandon Lowe TBR 2B 50 $25
71 Shed Long CIN 2B 50 $24
72 Isan Diaz MIA 2B 50 $24
73 Andrew Knizner STL C 50 $24
74 Anderson Espinoza SDP RHP 50 $24
75 Jahmai Jones LAA 2B 50 $23
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
76 Cole Tucker PIT SS 50 $23
77 Jon Duplantier ARI RHP 50 $23
78 Oneil Cruz PIT 3B 50 $23
79 Bryse Wilson ATL RHP 50 $22
80 Nolan Jones CLE 3B 50 $22
81 Willie Calhoun TEX DH 50 $22
82 Seuly Matias KCR RF 50 $22
83 Luis Alexander Basabe CHW CF 50 $21
84 Nolan Gorman STL 3B 50 $21
85 Jarred Kelenic NYM CF 50 $21
86 Brayan Rocchio CLE SS 50 $21
87 Micker Adolfo CHW RF 50 $20
88 Jonathan India CIN 3B 50 $20
89 Corey Ray MIL CF 50 $20
90 Griffin Canning LAA RHP 50 $20
91 Trevor Larnach MIN RF 50 $19
92 Ronny Mauricio NYM SS 50 $19
93 Bubba Thompson TEX CF 50 $19
94 Kristian Robinson ARI CF 50 $19
95 Dylan Cease CHW RHP 50 $18
96 Dane Dunning CHW RHP 50 $18
97 Miguel Amaya CHC C 50 $18
98 Brusdar Graterol MIN RHP 50 $18
99 Nate Pearson TOR RHP 50 $17
100 Matthew Liberatore TBR LHP 50 $17
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
101 Cole Winn TEX RHP 50 $17
102 Cionel Perez HOU LHP 50 $17
103 Kolby Allard ATL LHP 50 $16
104 Dennis Santana LAD RHP 50 $16
105 Heliot Ramos SFG CF 50 $16
106 Dustin May LAD RHP 50 $16
107 Aramis Ademan CHC SS 50 $15
108 Adrian Morejon SDP LHP 50 $15
109 Shane Baz TBR RHP 50 $15
110 Matt Manning DET RHP 50 $15
111 Josh Naylor SDP 1B 50 $14
112 Joey Wentz ATL LHP 50 $14
113 Franklin Perez DET RHP 50 $14
114 William Contreras ATL C 50 $14
115 Albert Abreu NYY RHP 50 $13
116 Zack Burdi CHW RHP 50 $13
117 Christin Stewart DET DH 50 $13
118 Jose Siri CIN CF 50 $13
119 Braxton Garrett MIA LHP 50 $12
120 Cole Ragans TEX LHP 50 $12
121 Nick Neidert MIA RHP 50 $12
122 Logan Allen SDP LHP 50 $12
123 Anthony Alford TOR CF 50 $11
124 Riley Pint COL RHP 50 $11
125 David Peterson NYM LHP 50 $11
Rank Name Team Pos FV Prospect Value* ($M)
126 Cal Quantrill SDP RHP 50 $11
127 Sandy Alcantara MIA RHP 50 $10
128 Adbert Alzolay CHC RHP 50 $10
129 Beau Burrows DET RHP 50 $10
130 Alec Hansen CHW RHP 50 $10
131 Anthony Banda TBR LHP 50 $9
*9M/WAR

Post-2018 Farm System Rankings

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Today, I’ve published a pair of posts in which I attempt to estimate the present-day value of prospects, both in terms of WAR and dollars. With that work complete, the logical next step is to turn away from the value of specific prospects and towards farm systems as a whole.

One can get a sense of the stronger and weaker systems just by eyeballing the rankings produced by Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel. What the prospect-valuation data allows us to do, however, is to place a figure on baseball’s top-800 or so prospects, creating a more objective ranking based on the grades assessed to each player here at FanGraphs.

These rankings provide a current snapshot of the farm systems before Longenhagen and McDaniel embark on their winter-long reveal of team prospect rankings. (The first post in their offseason series will appear this week.) As noted, the methodology for valuing prospects based on their grades is explained in my last two posts on the subjects:

Keep in mind, these values are based on the current CBA, where players receive a minimum salary for roughly three years and then have three (or four) years of arbitration before reaching free agency after six full MLB seasons. Players are generally underpaid compared to their value on the field during these seasons, which is what creates the high present-day values and partially justifies the high value placed by teams on prospects when executing trades.

These values are also based on an approximate $9 million per WAR that MLB teams pay players in free agency. The actual cost per win when all players are considered is closer to half that figure. Prior to free agency, however, salaries are artificially depressed, so comparing value when players are freely available to all teams provides a better benchmark for determining actual value. The overall dollar-per-win mark varies depending on the study, so my own estimate might be considered too high or low. Teams have different budgets that requires different valuations on a team-by-team basis, but looking at a figure close to the overall average allows for good comparisons — not only with the farm systems below, but with comparing value in potential trades, like this one with J.T. Realmuto, or in actual trades like the one involving Chris Archer last season.

The table below indicates the number of players each team has at each grade level from 40 (where there are nearly 500 players) all the way up to 70, where Vlad Guerrero Jr. sits all alone. The individual values for all of these players are then added up to provide one single total.

Here is that table:

Farm System Rankings Post-2018
Team 70 65 60 55 50 45 40 Total Prospects Present-Day WAR Value
SDP 1 4 7 8 26 46 50.9 $458 M
ATL 1 5 6 2 13 27 45.0 $405 M
CHW 1 1 2 7 2 15 28 41.0 $369 M
TBR 2 1 6 10 17 36 39.6 $356 M
TOR 1 1 3 7 20 32 33.1 $298 M
CIN 2 0 4 9 7 22 28.4 $256 M
MIN 2 3 7 24 36 28.2 $254 M
DET 3 4 10 14 31 27.8 $250 M
HOU 2 2 3 21 28 23.5 $212 M
LAD 2 3 6 13 24 23.1 $208 M
PIT 2 3 5 14 24 22.4 $202 M
LAA 1 3 7 11 22 19.7 $177 M
PHI 1 1 1 5 18 26 19.7 $177 M
OAK 2 1 9 11 23 19.5 $176 M
TEX 1 4 4 26 35 19.0 $171 M
CLE 4 8 15 27 18.5 $167 M
NYM 1 4 3 15 23 17.8 $160 M
WSN 1 1 4 11 17 17.8 $160 M
STL 1 2 6 20 29 16.1 $145 M
MIA 5 7 14 26 16.0 $144 M
NYY 3 6 22 31 16.0 $144 M
MIL 1 2 4 14 21 15.0 $135 M
COL 1 1 8 16 26 14.5 $131 M
SFG 2 4 17 23 10.6 $95 M
CHC 3 6 18 27 10.4 $94 M
ARI 2 3 18 23 10.0 $90 M
KCR 1 6 18 25 9.1 $82 M
BAL 7 24 31 8.5 $77 M
BOS 7 13 20 6.1 $55 M
SEA 4 13 17 4.8 $43 M
Most prospects at a grade
1st
2nd
3rd

The Padres have amassed a large number of prospects at nearly every grade level and feature an incredible amount of depth. When looking at that 50.9 WAR, consider this thought experiment: would you rather have the current Cleveland roster for 2019 with every player becoming a free agent at the end of next season or would you rather have the Padres farm system? If you choose the major-league team, you essentially end up with an expansion team in 2020 without the benefit of an expansion draft, and you likely end up terrible for years. Choose the latter and you presumably have a bright future, though the outlook for 2019 isn’t so good. Maybe it is an easy choice given the opportunity to win this season, but it’s a hypothetical for purposes of assessing value without real-world constraints.

It’s worth noting that the Blue Jays would be more middle of the road than top-five if Vlad Jr. had been called up at the All-Star break. If the Braves hadn’t called up Ronald Acuña, they would have the best farm system in baseball right now. They’d also have won fewer games and maybe missed the playoffs. Winning games and making the playoffs is more important than farm-system rankings, and the latter doesn’t account for young players in the majors or the overall health and strength of a farm system. That said, Boston and Seattle look pretty barren when it comes to prospects. For a look at all of the individual prospects, look to THE BOARD and the FanGraphs Prospects page.

For those more visually inclined, here are the farm rankings by WAR in graph form.

And here are those same rankings in terms of free-agent dollars.

Enjoy!


Putting a Dollar Value on Prospects Outside the Top 100

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There are 6,000 or so minor-league baseball players at any given moment. By definition, meanwhile, there are only 100 minor-league ballplayers on any given top-100 prospect list. That means there are also around 6,000 minor leaguers not on top-100 lists — all 6,000 of them still intent on reaching the major leagues.

And many of them do reach the majors. For half-a-dozen years, Carson Cistulli has highlighted a number of prospects who failed to make a top-100 list by means of his Fringe Five series, and some of those players — like Mookie Betts and Jose Ramirez — have gone on to become stars. There should be little doubt that prospects outside the standard top-100 lists have value. Determining how much value, however, is a different and more involved question.

When I attempted to determine a value for prospects who’d appeared on top-100 lists, I was working with a relatively small pool of players. Even 15 years’ worth of lists equates to 1,500 players at most. Attempting to determine the value for every prospect, meanwhile, would appear to be a much larger task. Does one look at the roughly 90,000 minor-league seasons over the same period? That seems daunting. Looking at Baseball America‘s team-level prospects lists, which feature 10 players per organization, would provide a more manageable 200 prospects per season outside the top-100 list, but that wouldn’t quite get us where we need to be, either.

And yet, as I’ve noted, these prospects have value. On THE BOARD, for example, there are currently 689 prospects with grades (a) of at least 40 but (b) less than 50 (the lowest grade earned by players on a top-100 lists, typically). It’s these prospects in whom I’m interested. What follows represents my attempt to place a value on them, as well.

To create a rough estimate of potential value for prospects absent from top-100 lists, I looked at all the prospects who appeared among Baseball America’s lists from 1999 to 2010. I determined how much WAR those players produced in 2010, finding that players who’d previously appeared on a top-100 list produced roughly 68% of all WAR in 2010, with position players coming in around 62% and pitchers coming in around 75% of their respective WAR that season. Pitchers, it seems, were much more likely to come from top-100 lists than batters, though it was a solid majority in both cases. While going back to 1999 takes care of nearly all players, before giving non-top-100 players 32% of WAR contributions, I took a slight (7%) discount for players’ contributions at 35 and older, leaving 25% of WAR for players off the top 100.

To continue, I then turned to my earlier work on prospect value. I calculated the present-day WAR of top-100 alumni and used the ratio of non-top-100 WAR to top-100 WAR, estimating that players outside the top 100 had a present-day value of roughly 150 WAR. While a somewhat elegant way of handling the problem, it only gets us part of the way to a solution, as players outside the top 100 often move into the top 100. Trying to capture those values creates another problem.

To address the players currently out of the top 100 but in the minor leagues — i.e. not new draft picks or international signings — we have to create another proxy. For this group, I looked at all the players with grades below 50 in the preseason 2017 FanGraphs rankings who were elevated to the top 100 of FanGraphs’ rankings the following season. There were 28 such players, including Miguel Andujar, Bo Bichette, Corbin Burnes, and Scott Kingery. In one year, those players increased their present-day WAR value from roughly 11 WAR to 96 WAR, an increase of roughly 85 wins in one year. Discount that value by one year, and we are looking at pretty close to 80 WAR.

I wanted to get a rough estimate of the value that I could use to spread among the nearly 700 players who’d received a grade of 40 FV or higher and yet weren’t included among the top-100 prospects. Whatever result at which I arrived would be imperfect: I’d already used two proxies to arrive at my WAR figure and also wasn’t accounting for players who had received below a 40 grade and graduated to the majors in the same seasons. Given the sheer number of players included in the sample, however, I’m optimistic that the errors won’t be very large on an individual basis.

We have around 230 WAR with which to work, but roughly 25 WAR of that must be allocated to the 50-grade players outside the top 100 (with another 10 WAR from the 50-grade players in the top 100 moved down on a sliding scale to accommodate those players). Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel have divided the groups below 50 grades into four tiers: 45+, 45, 40+, and 40. Because pitchers and position players are roughly equal in number, but pitchers produce less value, the tiers will be further divided between the two.

Scaling the amount of WAR available into acceptable tiers produces the following:

Valuing Prospects off the Top-100 List
Grade Number of Players WAR*
45+ POS 18 0.9
45+ P 18 0.7
45 POS 76 0.7
45 P 76 0.4
40+ POS 38 0.4
40+ P 38 0.3
40 POS 211 0.2
40 P 211 0.1
*Present Day Value Per Player

If you want a better sense of precisely what these figures mean, I’ve discussed the methodology in greater depth in the prospect-valuation piece published earlier today. Essentially, though, if I say a prospect is worth 2 WAR, that indicates his value over the course of the next nine seasons put into present day (ie 2019) WAR — which accounts for his final prospect years and cost-controlled seasons, as well.

If we were to spread the 200-WAR pool out evenly, the average would be 0.3 present-day WAR for each player. Because of the large volume of 40-grade prospects, however, a vast majority of players end up below that level. The top prospects below the 50 level have roughly the same value as a minimum-salaried one-win player. Using a $9 M/WAR estimate, here are the approximate values of players with the following grades.

Valuing Prospects off the Top-100 List
Grade Number of Players AVG WAR* 2018 $ Value**
45+ POS 18 0.9 $8 M
45+ P 18 0.7 $6 M
45 POS 76 0.7 $6 M
45 P 76 0.4 $4 M
40+ POS 38 0.4 $4 M
40+ P 38 0.3 $3 M
40 POS 211 0.2 $2 M
40 P 211 0.1 $1 M
*Present Day Value Per Player
**$9M/WAR

You might be curious about what use assigning a dollar value to the prospects has when WAR seems sufficient for understanding their value. The answer is that it helps when drawing comparisons between prospects and major-league players who have set salaries, particularly the former sort of player is traded for the latter.

Take the Chris Archer trade as an example. We can estimate how much value Archer had at the time of the trade deadline using projections and salary like this:

Chris Archer’s Value at Trade Deadline
Year WAR Projected $M/WAR Value ($M) Salary ($M) Surplus Present Value of Surplus ($M)
2018 1.5 $8.5 $12.8 $2.0 $10.8 $10.8
2019 3.9 $9.0 $35.1 $7.5 $27.6 $25.4
2020 3.4 $9.5 $32.3 $9.0 $23.3 $19.7
2021 2.9 $10.0 $29.0 $11.0 $18.0 $14.0
TOTAL 11.7 $69.9 M

By this math, Archer was worth roughly $70 million in surplus value. Now let’s compare that to the value of the prospects whom the Rays received.

Chris Archer Trade Prospects
Grade Value
Austin Meadows 55 $46 M
Tyler Glasnow 45+ $7 M
Shane Baz 50 $15 M
TOTAL $68 M

That’s how these values can be helpful. Next up, we can use these data here to produce an approximation for the values of farm systems as a whole.

The New FanGraphs Scouting Primer

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It’s been a while since we posted anything comprehensive and transparent about how we draw our conclusions about prospects. Player evaluation and development are changing very quickly in the game, and those changes obviously influence how we think about prospects here at FanGraphs, enough to merit a refreshing primer before we start publishing this offseason’s organizational lists. In addition to teeing up the lists, this post is meant to act as a central hub that can serve to answer commonly asked questions about prospects and how they’re evaluated, specifically for those in the near future who want to start swimming in the deep end of the prospect pool. As we continue to augment our thinking and methodology, so too will we update this document, which will live in The Essentials section of the Prospects Coverage landing page. Feel free to direct any applicable correspondence to prospects@fangraphs.com. Common queries sent our way may find their way onto this webpage.

What information drives your opinions on prospects?

We see a lot of players ourselves. We talk to scouts from amateur, pro, and international departments about players they’ve seen. We talk to in-office analysts, front-office executives, and people in player development. We also use publicly available data we think is relevant. Some combination of these things fuels each player’s evaluation.

What are some of your shortcomings as far as information is concerned?

Increasingly, teams are using proprietary data as part of the player-evaluation process. TrackMan and Yakkertech aid evaluations on many different components of pitching and hitting, high-speed video of players from Edgertronic cameras allows clubs to better understand and alter hitting and pitching mechanics, and Motus sleeves and Rapsodo are used in pitch engineering. The mere existence and demonstrable efficacy of this stuff has altered the way we’re projecting players, but we don’t have access to the data generated by these devices across the entire population or prospects.

What is FV?

FV stands for Future Value, and it’s the way we distill each player’s scouting evaluation into a single expression. Broadly stated, Future Value is a grade on the 20-80 scale that maps to anticipated annual WAR production during the player’s first six years of service. But there’s also quite a bit of nuance underlying that definition, so let’s break down its components.

The 20-80 scale is used by scouts and team analysts to evaluate prospects’ individual tools, as well as their entire future projection. The center of the scale (50) represents major-league average with each whole grade away from 50 representing a standard deviation away from it. The industry also uses grades of 45 and 55 as a means of assessment because there are so many players, fastballs, throwing arms, etc. hovering right around average that it’s necessary to be more granular at that point on the talent curve. It’s rare for a scout to use grades like 65 or 35 because that level of visual precision on those parts of the curve isn’t all that feasible. Analysts are more likely to use those grades since they’re looking at a Trackman readout or some other form of objective measure and that is literally where someone’s exit velos or curveball spin might be on the curve.

Here is fresh math from the 2018 season regarding WAR distribution of hitters mapped to the 20-80 scale. Eric calculated it twice, first by using all hitters with 200 plate appearances (which produced a sample of 355 players, or approximately every team’s starting lineup and its three most used bench players) and then the best 255 players from that sample (effectively, the starters). The WAR bands created by these two samples are very similar to the ones you’ve seen on this site before.

Hitter WAR Mapped to 20-80 Scale
Scouting Scale Role WAR
20 Org guy
30 Up & Down <-0.1
40 Bench Player 0.0 to 0.7
45 Low End Reg/Platoon 0.8 to 1.5
50 Avg Everyday Player 1.6 to 2.4
55 Above Avg Reg 2.5 to 3.3
60 All Star 3.4 to 4.9
70 Top 10 overall 5.0 to 7.0
80 Top 5 overall > 7.0

Pitching is a little more complicated because pitching standards and roles are changing. Velocity and strikeout rates are higher than ever. Starting-pitcher innings are lower than ever. Whatever the case, here’s how 2018’s starters shake out based on WAR distribution. For this, Eric’s first pass included all starters who threw at least 50 innings (which ended up being 180 pitchers, essentially starters No. 1 through 6 on each team) then the top 150 pitchers from that sample (all 30 teams’ starting rotations).

Pitcher WAR Mapped to 20-80 Scale
Scouting Scale Role WAR
20 Org Guy
30 Up & Down < -0.1
40 Backend starters, FIP typically close to 5.00 0.0 to 0.9
45 #4/5 starters, FIP approx 4.20 1.0 to 1.7
50 #4 starters. Approx 4.00 FIP, at times worse but then with lots of innings 1.8 to 2.5
55 #3/4 starters. Approx 3.70 FIP along with about 160 IP 2.6 to 3.4
60 #3 starters, 3.30 FIP, volume approaching 200 innings 3.5 to 4.9
70 #2 starters, FIP under 3, about 200 IP 5.0 to 7.0
80 #1s. Top 1-3 arms in baseball. ‘Ace’ if they do it several years in a row. >7.0

The pitcher and position-player WAR curves are similar enough that, especially when we consider WAR’s margin for error, it’s reasonable to round and combine these two tables pretty much exactly the way Kiley did back in 2014.

Relievers are punished in any WAR-based measure because they throw fewer innings. The best relievers on the planet typically yield about 3 WAR, while really excellent relievers are 1.5-2.0 WAR players. Some clubs do consider elite relievers to be 80s and think WAR-only analysis of relievers ignores too much of the leverage component of their jobs. This is probably true, but we also think relief usage is about to change in a way that both accentuates that component but also changes the volume of innings they throw. For now, single-inning middle-relief types get a 40 FV from us, we slap 45 FVs on arms we think will be dominant bullpen pieces (Seranthony Dominguez and A.J. Minter are two examples from recent years), and anything more than that means we think they’re elite, but most elite relievers were starters as prospects.

Please note we are not projecting peak seasons here but rather the average annual WAR over the player’s first six years of big league employment. Sonny Gray peaked at 3.8 WAR in 2015 (a strong 60) but averaged 2.2 annual WAR (50) over his first six years, and we think the latter is a better representation of his profile because it accounts not only for talent but also the ability to stay healthy and perform consistently. Matt Duffy posted a 4.4 WAR campaign in 2015 but has averaged just shy of two wins per season, and again we think that’s more representative of his true talent.

Why the six-year bound?

As just stated, we think basing rankings on multi-year projection for a player is more useful than a single-year peak. But we also want our projections to be bound by some amount of time because, in the absence of such a constraint, we’re just projecting career WAR. In that case, we’d have to consider who might still be playing into their late 30s and 40s and what kind of players they would be at that time. That seems ridiculous. We love Bartolo Colon and LaTroy Hawkins and Jamie Moyer — and cherish big leaguers who stick around forever — but it’s a fool’s errand to look at a high-school prospect and try to decide if he’ll play into his 40s. The six-year interval we’ve chosen lines up with the six years of service time players are forced to accrue before they can enjoy a free(ish) market for their abilities. During that time, players are being re-evaluated for free agency by means that are vastly different than when they’re prospects, enough that it makes sense to view them as separate processes.

A finite scope also forces us to be more specific about defensive projections. It’s easy to look at Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and say that he’ll eventually outgrow third base and move to first, but it’s more useful to be reasonably specific about when.

Keep in mind that, for some older prospects, the six-year window will encompass the start of their decline phase, which is part of why our rankings skew young.

Do you treat upper-level minor leaguers and low-level teenagers the same way as far as FV is concerned?

No. For many reasons, we value proximity to the big leagues and attempt to bake it in to FV. If there are two minor leaguers who are exactly the same in every way, and one is in Double-A and the other is in the GCL, it makes sense that the player closer to the big leagues would rank higher than the Rookie-level ball. There are some 50 FV players in our rankings who we think have a chance to be 60s or better in the big leagues, but the risk/proximity aspect of their profile needs to be captured in FV somewhere. The amount we deduct for things like risk due to injury or player demographics is subjective, and we don’t have a guideline to share for deducting FV when someone has a surgery or gets busted for PEDs, but we’re okay with that because so much of this process is already subjective.

What are some other areas where you think there’s wiggle room to argue with your rankings?

We think you can make strong arguments to rank players within the same FV tier in a lot of different ways, especially as we move down the scale. Lots of the 40 FV prospects on our lists are risky young players who might be really good one day but might also be nothing, and several of our 40 FV players are near-ready back-end starters. Some teams would, if given the chance, take the lottery ticket instead of the low-ceiling starter. Rebuilding teams with bad farm systems would probably want that guy. Contending teams with thin pitching staffs would probably rather have the low-ceiling arm. In short, teams behave logically, but we don’t think that logic is uniform across baseball, and it’s fine if it isn’t across the prospect-ranking landscape, as well.

2018 Prospect Graduations

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What follows is simply a list of prospects who exceeded rookie-eligibility requirements in 2018. They are sorted into FV tiers (as listed at time of graduation) but not ranked within those tiers. Note the players whom we missed in the “Not Ranked” section at the bottom of the list. Lou Trivino (dominant reliever, probably should have been a 45 FV) and Niko Goodrum (a multipositional bat, typically a 45 FV for us) are prominent whiffs. Several of the 35 FV players were graded more highly in previous years (Fletcher, Laureano, O’Hearn, Palka) and they are a lesson in impatience and over-correction. Also take a gander at this piece from last winter, which I think has aged pretty well, especially the list of middle infielders.

2018 Prospect Graduates
Name Team Pos FV
Shohei Ohtani LAA RHP/DH 70
Ronald Acuna ATL CF 65
Gleyber Torres NYY SS 60
Juan Soto WAS OF 60
Lewis Brinson MIA CF 60
Miguel Andujar NYY 3B 60
Willy Adames TBR SS 60
Corbin Burnes MIL RHP 55
Franklin Barreto OAK CF 55
J.P. Crawford PHI SS 55
Scott Kingery PHI 2B 55
Walker Buehler LAD RHP 55
Austin Meadows PIT OF 50
Brandon Woodruff MIL RHP 50
Brian Anderson MIA 3B 50
Jack Flaherty STL RHP 50
Christian Arroyo TBR 3B 50
Shane Bieber CLE RHP 50
Dustin Fowler OAK CF 50
Fernando Romero MIN RHP 50
Jake Bauers TBR RF 50
Jesse Winker CIN OF 50
Carson Kelly STL C 50
Joey Lucchesi SDP LHP 50
Chance Sisco BAL C 50
Max Fried ATL LHP 50
Ryan McMahon COL 1B 50
Tyler Mahle CIN RHP 50
Colin Moran PIT 3B 50
Tyler O’Neill STL RF 50
Freddy Peralta MIL RHP 45+
Steven Duggar SFG CF 45+
A.J. Minter ATL LHP 45
Alex Blandino CIN 2B 45
Brett Phillips MIL OF 45
Cedric Mullins BAL CF 45
Erick Fedde WSN RHP 45
Franchy Cordero SDP CF 45
Greg Allen CLE CF 45
Harrison Bader STL CF 45
Jaime Barria LAA RHP 45
Jalen Beeks TBR LHP 45
Jorge Alfaro PHI C 45
Luis Guillorme NYM SS 45
Magneuris Sierra MIA CF 45
Mitch Garver MIN C 45
Pablo Lopez MIA RHP 45
Ronald Guzman TEX 1B 45
Ryan Borucki TOR LHP 45
Seranthony Dominguez PHI RHP 45
Tanner Scott BAL LHP 45
Tomas Nido NYM C 45
Caleb Ferguson LAD LHP 40+
Yonny Chirinos TBR RHP 40+
Aaron Bummer CHW LHP 40
Andrew Stevenson WSN OF 40
Andrew Suarez SFG LHP 40
Anthony Santander BAL 1B/OF 40
Austin Slater SFG LF 40
Austin Gomber STL LHP 40
Burch Smith KCR RHP 40
Carlos Tocci TEX CF 40
Carson Fulmer CHW RHP 40
Chris Flexen NYM RHP 40
David Bote CHC 3B 40
Diego Castillo TBR RHP 40
Dillon Peters MIA LHP 40
Domingo German NYY RHP 40
Dovydas Neverauskas PIT RHP 40
Edgar Santana PIT RHP 40
Eduardo Paredes LAA RHP 40
Elieser Hernandez MIA RHP 40
Eric Lauer SDP LHP 40
Eric Skoglund KCR LHP 40
Franmil Reyes SDP LF 40
Gabriel Moya MIN LHP 40
Heath Fillmyer KCR RHP 40
Hunter Dozier KCR 3B 40
Isiah Kiner-Falefa TEX UTIL 40
J.D. Davis HOU 3B 40
Jake Cave MIN CF 40
Jefry Rodriguez WSN RHP 40
Jorge Lopez KCR RHP 40
Lourdes Gurriel TOR SS 40
Luke Bard MIN RHP 40
Max Stassi HOU C 40
Phil Ervin CIN OF 40
Renato Nunez OAK 3B 40
Reyes Moronta SFG RHP 40
Richard Urena TOR SS 40
Roman Quinn PHI CF 40
Ryne Stanek TBR RHP 40
Socrates Brito ARI CF 40
Taylor Williams MIL RHP 40
Taylor Ward LAA 3B 40
Tom Murphy COL 1B 40
Tyler Austin NYY OF 40
Tzu-Wei Lin BOS UTIL 40
Victor Reyes DET OF 40
Yefry Ramirez BAL RHP 40
Ariel Jurado TEX RHP 35
Brad Keller KCR RHP 35
Daniel Palka CHW OF 35
David Fletcher LAA SS 35
David Hess BAL RHP 35
Jace Fry CHW LHP 35
Jesse Biddle ATL LHP 35
Ramon Laureano OAK OF 35
Ryan O’Hearn KCR 1B 35
Victor Arano PHI RHP 35
Adam Cimber CLE RHP NR
Caleb Smith MIA LHP NR
Christian Villanueva SDP 3B NR
Dereck Rodriguez SFG RHP NR
Felix Pena LAA RHP NR
Jeff McNeil NYM INF NR
Justin Anderson LAA RHP NR
Kyle Crick PIT RHP NR
Lou Trivino OAK RHP NR
Nick Martini OAK OF/1B NR
Niko Goodrum DET UTIL NR
Richard Rodriguez PIT RHP NR
Rosell Herrera KCR UTIL NR
Shane Carle ATL RHP NR
Trevor Richards MIA RHP NR

FanGraphs Audio Presents: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Ep. 6

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UMP: The Untitled McDongenhagen Project, Episode 6
This is the sixth episode of a weekly program co-hosted by Eric Longenhagen and Kiley McDaniel about player evaluation in all its forms. The show, which is available through the normal FanGraphs Audio feed, has a working name but barely. The show is not all prospect stuff, but there is plenty of that, as the hosts are Prospect Men. Below are some timestamps to make listening and navigation easier.

1:40 – Kiley takes a suggestion from Ben Lindbergh about a slogan for the podcast

2:50 – TOPIC ONE: Free Agency Preview

3:57 – Eric brings up how short the 2019 free agent class is set to come, relative to expectations a year or two ago

5:05 – Kiley gets in a solid Jeff Passan burn

5:20 – Discussing how we got here and how stock has moved in the past year or two, feat. Manny Machado, Bryce Harper, Clayton Kershaw, David Price, Patrick Corbin, Josh Donaldson, Michael Brantley, A.J. Pollock, Daniel Murphy, Andrew McCutchen, Craig Kimbrel, Jed Lowrie, Nathan Eovaldi

7:00 – Eric brings up the junior college gambit Harper made almost a decade ago, specifically to pay off this offseason and Kiley speculates how much that ended up making him

8:20 – Kiley revisits how Harper, Machado and Jameson Taillon would’ve been evaluated using today’s amateur scouting methods as a way to get into comparing their markets today

11:00 – Kiley shares some buzz he’s heard about Washington’s willingness to spend on Harper (this is before the report came out about the $300M offer)

13:38 – Eric makes the case that Machado fits the Nationals better than Harper

14:50 – Eric comes off the top rope with a #RobotUmps leading to Harper being a catcher hypothetical

16:48 – Kiley comes off a different top rope with an Isaac Asimov reference

17:02 – Kiley comes down strong on Patrick Corbin vs. Dallas Keuchel

19:00 – Eric proposes a use case where Keuchel could uniquely fit with progressive clubs

21:30 – Josh Donaldson, Michael Brantley, A.J. Pollock, Yasmani Grandal, Jed Lowrie are discussed as a group of similarly-regarded hitters that are tough to evaluate

26:00 – Kiley (we now know correctly) calls Hyun-Jin Ryu being the only to accept the QO.

27:35 – Eric reviews the Cleveland outfield situation with Brantley and Lonnie Chisenhall leaving, and holdovers Leonys Martin, Jason Kipnis, Bradley Zimmer, Oscar Mercado, possibly Yu Chang

29:00 – Kiley points out that Cleveland’s approach paid off in timing Cody Allen and Andrew Miller correctly, as they’re both showing signs of decline

30:00 – The Yusei Kikuchi conversation

34:40 – Why Garrett Richards is so interesting and may draw interest from the most teams in this whole free agent class

38:48 – Kiley breaks down the chatter he’s heard regarding under-the-radar clubs that may spend more than you expect this winter: Padres, Reds, Twins, White Sox, Braves. Eric sees the Padres’ window may be opening.

43:00 – TOPIC TWO: Arizona Fall League review

44:53 – Glendale (BAL, CHW, CLE, LAD, NYY) players mentioned: Zack Burdi (CHW), Jordan Sheffield (LAD), Estevan Florial (NYY), Ryan McKenna (BAL), Luis Robert (CHW), Yu Chang (CLE), Luis Alexander Basabe (CHW)

53:30 – Mesa (BOS, CHC, DET, LAA, OAK) players mentioned: Brett Hanewich (LAA), Daniel Procopio (LAA), Darwinzon Hernandez (BOS), Erick Leal (CHC), Trent Giambrone (CHC), Esteban Quiroz (BOS), Eli White (OAK), Luis Barrera (OAK), Nico Hoerner (CHC), Bobby Dalbec (BOS)

58:55 – Peoria (ATL, MIL, SDP, SEA, TBR) players mentioned: Kyle Muller (ATL), Wyatt Mills (SEA), Adam McCreery (ATL), Travis Radke (SDP), Matt Krook (TBR), Ronaldo Hernandez (TBR), Hudson Potts (SDP), Buddy Reed (SDP), Trent Grisham (MIL), Keston Hiura (MIL), Lucius Fox (TBR), Joe McCarthy (TBR), Austin Allen (SDP), Ray-Patrick Didder (ATL), Evan White (SEA)

1:06:19 – Salt River (ARI, COL, MIN, MIA, WSN) players mentioned: Jon Duplantier (ARI), Ryan Castellani (COL), Justin Lawrence (COL), Brent Rooker (MIN), Brian Miller (MIA), Monte Harrison (MIA), Pavin Smith (ARI), Carter Kieboom (WSN), Tyler Nevin (COL), Jazz Chisholm (ARI), Travis Blankenhorn (MIN), Daulton Varsho (ARI)

1:11:20 – Scottsdale (CIN, HOU, NYM, PHI, SFG) players mentioned: Forrest Whitley (HOU, Trent Thornton (HOU), Erasmo Pinales (HOU), Garrett Williams (SFG), Sam Wolff (SFG), Melvin Adon (SFG), Luke Leftwich (PHI), J.B. Bukauskas (HOU), Taylor Trammell (CIN), Desmond Lindsay (NYM), Shed Long (CIN), Darick Hall (PHI), Andres Gimenez (NYM), Peter Alonso (NYM)

1:14:50 – Surprise (KCR, PIT, STL, TEX, TOR) players mentioned: Scott Blewett (KCR), Demarcus Evans (TEX), Zach Jackson (TOR), Connor Jones (STL), Nate Pearson (TOR), Evan Kruczynski (STL), Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (TOR), Cole Tucker (PIT), Andy Young (STL), Lane Thomas (STL), Bryan Reynolds (PIT), Khalil Lee (KCR), Cavan Biggio (TOR), Tommy Edman (STL), Nick Heath (KCR)

1:19:30 – TOPIC THREE: A Twins scout sued the team for age discrimination and FanGraphs’ legal expert Sheryl Ring joins the show to break down this case and the efficacies of others like it

1:38:20 – We delve into the hilarious part of this case, tied to the history of the lawyer bringing the suit

1:39:40 – Kiley reads a prior complaint from this lawyer, including the passage, “vast nationwide conspiracy…to bring an end to happy hours”

Don’t hesitate to direct pod-related correspondence to @kileymcd or @longenhagen on Twitter or at prospects@fangraphs.com.

You can subscribe to the podcast via iTunes or other feeder things.

Audio after the jump. (Approximately 1 hr 42 min play time.)

Top 40 Prospects: St. Louis Cardinals

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Below is an analysis of the prospects in the farm system of the St. Louis Cardinals. Scouting reports are compiled with information provided by industry sources as well as from our own (both Eric Longenhagen’s and Kiley McDaniel’s) observations. For more information on the 20-80 scouting scale by which all of our prospect content is governed you can click here. For further explanation of the merits and drawbacks of Future Value, read this.

All of the numbered prospects here also appear on The Board, a new feature at the site that offers sortable scouting information for every organization. That can be found here.

Cardinals Top Prospects
Rk Name Age Highest Level Position ETA FV
1 Alex Reyes 24.2 MLB RHP 2019 55
2 Andrew Knizner 23.8 AAA C 2019 50
3 Nolan Gorman 18.5 A 3B 2021 50
4 Dylan Carlson 20.1 A+ RF 2020 45
5 Dakota Hudson 24.2 MLB RHP 2019 45
6 Jhon Torres 18.6 R RF 2023 40+
7 Elehuris Montero 20.2 A+ 3B 2021 40+
8 Ryan Helsley 24.3 AAA RHP 2019 40+
9 Edmundo Sosa 22.7 MLB SS 2019 40
10 Griffin Roberts 22.4 A+ RHP 2019 40
11 Adolis Garcia 25.7 MLB CF 2019 40
12 Andy Young 24.5 AA 2B 2020 40
13 Conner Capel 21.5 A+ CF 2021 40
14 Wadye Ynfante 21.2 A- CF 2021 40
15 Genesis Cabrera 22.1 AAA LHP 2019 40
16 Lane Thomas 23.2 AAA CF 2019 40
17 Junior Fernandez 21.7 AA RHP 2019 40
18 Connor Jones 24.1 AAA RHP 2019 40
19 Justin Williams 23.2 MLB LF 2019 40
20 Randy Arozarena 23.7 AAA OF 2019 40
21 Tommy Edman 23.5 AAA 2B 2020 40
22 Ramon Urias 24.4 AAA 2B 2019 40
23 Stephen Gingery 21.1 R LHP 2020 40
24 Nick Dunn 21.8 A 2B 2020 40
25 Luken Baker 21.7 A 1B 2021 40
26 Daniel Poncedeleon 26.8 MLB RHP 2018 40
27 Johan Oviedo 20.7 A RHP 2022 40
28 Malcom Nunez 17.7 R 1B 2024 40
29 Evan Kruczynski 23.6 AA LHP 2020 40
30 Delvin Perez 20.0 A- SS 2021 40
31 Conner Greene 23.6 AAA RHP 2019 40
32 Seth Elledge 22.5 AA RHP 2019 40
33 Ivan Herrera 18.5 AA C 2023 40
34 Juan Yepez 20.7 A+ 1B 2021 40
35 Evan Mendoza 22.4 AA 3B 2020 40
36 Giovanny Gallegos 27.2 MLB RHP 2019 40
37 Derian Gonzalez 23.8 AAA RHP 2019 40
38 Adanson Cruz 18.1 R RF 2023 35+
39 Joerlin De Los Santos 18.2 R CF 2024 35+
40 Mateo Gil 18.3 R SS 2023 35+

55 FV Prospects

1. Alex Reyes, RHP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2012 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 24.2 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 230 Bat / Thr R / R FV 55
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
70/70 45/50 60/70 55/60 40/50 93-97 / 101

We erroneously peeled Reyes off this list during the summer. When he departed his May 30 start after four innings, he had thrown exactly 50 career frames. The MLB rule for rookie eligibility states that it has been exceeded when a pitcher has thrown more than 50 innings, so he’s technically still eligible.

Reyes has developed amid constant setbacks. He had a shoulder injury in 2015, a marijuana suspension that spanned the 2015 Fall League and start of the 2016 season, underwent Tommy John later in 2016 and then suffered a right lat ligament detachment in his first big league start back from TJ in 2018. The surgery to reattach his ligament took place in early June, which, with a six month recovery, means Reyes should be ready for 2019.

Healthy Reyes is one of the best arm talents on the planet. His fastball will sit 93-97 and hover near 100 out of the bullpen. He’ll also show you a plus changeup and curveball. His feel for each can be inconsistent, which is understandable given how little he has pitched over the last three years. If fully realized, Reyes has top of the rotation stuff.

It’s unclear how St. Louis will usher Reyes along next spring, both as far as his role and workload are concerned. He has the stuff to be a dominant multi-inning or high-leverage relief arm should the Cardinals think he’s more likely to stay healthy that way. His innings total will likely need to be manicured somehow, and perhaps that’s the way to go about building Reyes back up even if the org considers him a traditional starter long term.

50 FV Prospects

Drafted: 7th Round, 2016 from North Carolina State (STL)
Age 23.8 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 50
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
50/55 50/50 40/45 30/30 40/45 45/45

Knizner backed up his breakout 2017 campaign with a .313/.368/.430 2018 season line, mostly at Double-A. His swing is compact and rhythmic, and he’s very difficult to beat with velocity because he can time just about everything. This, combined with an ability to guide the barrel around the zone, drives a promising, contact-first offensive package that would be quite valuable at catcher.

Knizner moved from shortstop (in high school) to third base (as a college freshman) to catcher (as a sophomore) and has been behind the plate for four seasons now. He remains below-average in most aspects of catching, but isn’t so bad that he’ll surely have to move. He’s not nearly as skilled a defender as Carson Kelly, but Knizner has a much better chance to make an offensive impact.

Yadier Molina is signed through 2020, which creates the illusion of a catching logjam, but he’s somewhat fragile and Knizer and Kelly’s experience at corner infield spots (Knizner has played some first base as a pro, but did not in 2018) could enable the Cardinals to carry all three of them at some point. If tasked with everyday duty, we think Knizner would produce like an average everyday player.

Drafted: 1st Round, 2018 from O’Connor HS (AZ) (STL)
Age 18.5 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr L / R FV 50
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
20/50 70/70 30/60 40/40 40/45 50/50

Gorman mashed good pitching as an underclassman and was universally regarded as one of the two safest high school hitters in the 2018 class until he suddenly started swinging over the top of mediocre high school breaking balls as a senior. In addition to those troublesome strikeouts, he looked less agile on defense than he had the previous summer. Teams generally thought these issues were correctable but they, and a few odd draft day dominoes, contributed to his slide back to the 19th overall pick.

After signing, Gorman paved over the Appalachain League (.350/.443/.664) and received a very aggressive promotion to Low-A, where he struggled to make contact. Gorman’s hand path is similar to Kyle Seager’s and that loop creates power, but also some length, so there’s some hit-related risk here. But Gorman is a physical beast with a chance to stay at third and hit for huge, potentially middle-of-the-order power.

45 FV Prospects

Drafted: 1st Round, 2016 from Elk Grove HS (CA) (STL)
Age 20.1 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr S / L FV 45
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/45 55/60 40/55 50/40 45/50 55/55

Though his surface-level stats — .245/.340/.376 in parts of three pro seasons — aren’t impressive, Carlson is a 2019 breakout candidate. Switch-hitters with power are rare and Carlson has all-fields pop from both sides of the plate that, in 2018, was masked by the cavernous ballparks of the Florida State League. A waist-high leg kick and loose, active hands provide much of the thump, and Carlson is athletic enough to make use of a swing with that much movement and not have it negatively impacted his timing. Though he has limited bat control, Carlson is adept at picking hittable pitchces to attack, and cut his K% down to 17% in 2018 while maintaining his above-average 11% walk rate.

Defensively, Carlson projects in right field. He saw ample time in center in 2016 and 2017 but really only played in either corner last year. There’s a non-zero chance he thickens substantially through his mid-20s and loses the mobility to play the outfield, but that might also mean he’s grown into more power than we’re projecting and fits at first base–offensively anyway. There’s a good chance Carlson turns into a solid everyday outfielder immune to modern pitching staffs’ desire to exploit hitters’ handedness.

Drafted: 1st Round, 2016 from Mississippi State (STL)
Age 24.2 Height 6′ 5″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 45
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Cutter Command Sits/Tops
70/70 55/55 55/55 40/45 94-97 / 98

Hudson has angry stuff. His then-four-pitch mix was on par with the best college pitchers in the 2016 draft, but Hudson fell to the back of the first round due to concerns about his delivery — his arm action is quite long — and how it effects his command and perceived ability to stay healthy.

Though Hudson has ascended rapidly through the minors, concerns about his ability to throw strikes have proved prescient, as he has posted slightly worse-than-average walk rates as a pro, and twice the average starter’s rate in his short big league stint. Throw in the redundant shape and utility of Hudson’s secondary pitches, now limited to a low-90s cutter and mid-80s slider that belnd together in the upper-80s, and there’s a strong chance he ends up a late-innign reliever instead of a long-term starter. But his nasty sinker, which has generated a 58% career ground ball rate and tops out at 98, and the quality of those two secondaries might enable him to start or at least have multi-inning value. He’s big-league-ready and poised to play a integral role on St. Louis’ staff next year.

40+ FV Prospects

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Colombia (CLE)
Age 18.6 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/50 55/65 30/60 50/40 40/50 60/60

For the first time in 2018, the Cardinals deployed scouts dedicated to the lowest levels of the minor leagues and it netted them one of the more explosive physical specimens on last year’s desert backfields. Traded in a prospect-for-prospect deadline deal that sent one of the Cardinals’ many upper-level outfielders, Oscar Mercado, to Cleveland, Torres dominated rookie ball on either side of the deal and slashed .321/.409/.525 combined in the AZL and GCL.

Built like a Division I tight end, Torres’ body is a baseball rarity, and he still has growth potential from both a physical and mechanical perspective. Torres doesn’t always transfer his weight effectively and his swing can be bottom hand-heavy, but it has a workable foundation and he has the requisite bat speed, strength and hand-eye coordination to hit and hit for power. At maturity, he could be a 6-foot-5, 230 pound power-hitting force in the middle of a lineup.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2015 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 20.2 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/50 55/60 30/55 40/40 40/45 55/55

Montero’s strong initial foray into full-season ball — .322/.381/.529 with 46 extra-base hits in 103 games — was his second straight year of on-paper success, and he was still just 19 when the Cardinals promoted him to Hi-A Palm Beach for the season’s final month.

Montero is a scaled-down version of Miguel Sano. His swing is mechanically similar and he, too, has a power-driven profile undercut by a thick frame that may not stay at third base despite plenty of arm. Montero’s raw power and natural feel for lifting the basebal in the air may not be statistically evident next season due to Palm Beach’s hitting environment, so don’t worry if he’s not posting a huge SLG% next year. Focus should instead be on Montero’s approach (which is a little aggressive for some) and how mobile he’s able to stay. So long as one of those two attributes pan out, Montero will likely be a good big leaguer. If both do, he could be a 3-plus WAR entity.

8. Ryan Helsley, RHP
Drafted: 5th Round, 2015 from Northeastern State (STL)
Age 24.3 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40+
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Cutter Command Sits/Tops
60/60 50/55 40/45 45/50 40/50 94-97 / 100

Helsley, who is of Cherokee heritage, likely would have reached the majors in 2018 had he not been sidelined with shoulder fatigue in early-June. The injury effectively ended his season, as he was up for one August rehab appearance and then shut down again for the rest of the year. The exact nature of the injury is unknown and it’s not clear if Helsley will be ready for the start of spring training.

When healthy, Helsley has an effective four-pitch mix led by a fastball that sits in the 93-97 range and will touch 100. Helsley doesn’t have precise fastball command and throws a middling ratio of strikes, but he throws hard enough to get away with mistakes in the zone, and his ability to execute his breaking balls — the slider down and to his glove side, the curveball in the bottom of the zone or beneath it — gives him a pretty good chance to start.

There are clubs that have Helsley evaluated as a reliever either because of the lack of fastball command or due to perceptions about his deilvery and health. If not for uncertainty surrounding his injury, he’d be right behind Hudson on this list as a near-ready mid-rotation arm or dominant 70-80 inning reliever.

40 FV Prospects

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2012 from Panama (STL)
Age 22.7 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 198 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
45/50 45/45 30/40 50/50 55/55 50/50

Plus hands and actions drive Sosa’s ability to stay at short, where his range and arm strength are only okay. Indigenous to shortstop, Sosa began getting reps at second and third base during the 2017 Arizona Fall League, and he continued to see time there (66% SS, 18% 2B, 18% 3B) in 2018. He hit .269/.314/.419 split between Double and Triple-A, a line that includes more in-game power than in ’16 and ’17.

At some point in 2017, Sosa added a leg kick that drove this improvement, but it didn’t pay off in games until 2018, either because he added it too late or because the after-effects of a broken hamate were making his power. Additional evidence that this uptick in power is real is the change in Sosa’a ground ball rate, which has dropped from 50% in ’16 and ’17 to 38% in ’18. Because he’s such a free-swinger, Sosa will probably run pretty low OBPs as a big leaguer, but he has barrel control and his hands have life, so he’s going to hit some. In the last year he’s improved from a viable shortstop who might hit an empty .260 to a versatile infield defender with some pop, and he looks poised to play an integral big league role pretty soon. He’s the best defensive infielder on St. Louis’ 40-man.

Drafted: 1st Round, 2018 from Wake Forest (STL)
Age 22.4 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
45/50 60/65 40/50 45/50 90-93 / 95

Roberts was the closer for Wake Forest as a draft-eligible sophomore in 2017 and turned down six figure offers to go back to school as a 22-year-old junior and try his hand at starting. His hellacious plus-plus slider was just as good and his velocity held, working 89-93 and touching 95. Roberts’ command is enough to start and his changeup flashes average, but some scouts project him as a Luke Gregerson-like slider-heavy reliever, both because of his arm action and his slider-heavy approach.

In today’s velocity-obsessed game, Roberts’ only ability that is above average is his slider and he leans on it heavily, which would make him ideal for a multi-inning hybrid role and doesn’t describe many traditional big league starters. The Cardinals would like to see if he can turn into a volume starter, but he’ll likely get to the bigs quickly regardless since he could help soon and in multiple roles.

(STL)
Age 25.7 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/35 55/55 45/50 60/60 55/55 70/70

Garcia’s explosive toolset is undermined by his exploitable, pull-heavy approach to contact and his propensity to chase. These deficiencies make him very easy for right-handed pitchers to beat by feeding him breaking balls away, which he can often neither touch nor take. Despite this, there’s a viable path to big league playing time for Garcia because he sees lefties well-enough to hit for difference-making power against them, and his speed and arm are assets on defense. He has a chance to be a good role-playing ouitfielder, but Garcia’s approach means his floor is like the bottom of a wet paper bag.

12. Andy Young, 2B
Drafted: 3rd Round, 2016 from Indiana State (STL)
Age 24.5 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/50 55/55 45/55 40/40 40/45 50/50

Middle infielders with power are rare and yet Young, who is exactly that, somehow lasted until the 37th round of his draft and signed for just $3,000. This is the Cardinals archetypical draftee; a power-first prospect with questionable mobility. Collect enough of these and, through a combination of luck and good player development, some of them will turn into passable defenders and become solid big leaguers. Young has hit his way to Double-A and is tracking like the successes that have come before.

Though he does most of his damage on pitches on the inner half, Young has enough barrel control to spoil pitches away from him until he gets something he can square up. When he connects, he does so with power. Buff and square-shouldered, Young’s physicality is a driving component of his power but it’s also why he’s somewhat limited defensively.

Young has seen time at shortstop, third base and left field as a pro but was mostly kept at second base in 2018. He should be passable defender there, but his lack of versatility in the field could be a barrier to a call up, especially because the Cardinals big league roster is already full of players without positional flexibility. He’s a strong internal candidate to eventually replace either or both of Jedd Gyorko and Kolten Wong in the next couple of years.

Drafted: 5th Round, 2016 from Seven Lakes HS (TX) (CLE)
Age 21.5 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 185 Bat / Thr L / L FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
35/45 50/50 40/45 55/55 45/50 60/60

Two seasons ago, Cleveland narrowed Capel’s stance to force him to move his weight forward when he would stride and it inverted his offensive profile. A contact-oriented speedster in high school, Capel has become a pull-heavy hitter who can lift the ball. Though not aesthically pleasing, Capel’s swing is effective. He sees the ball well against righties and connects with pitches all over the strike zone, sending them to the right side of the diamond.

Capel projects to have a well-rounded statline — 50 or 55 hit, 50 power — against righties, but he’s so vulnerable against lefties that he’d likely need a platoon partner in the big leagues. He projects to play a role similar to the one Ben Gamel and Travis Jankowski currently play.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2013 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 21.2 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 160 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
20/40 50/55 20/45 60/60 45/55 40/40

Ynfante followed up a promising 2017 campaign — .299/.374/.491 — with a strikeout-laden dud in 2018. His K% spiked up to a whopping 35%. Despite that, Ynfante has some of the more promising physical tools in the system. He’s a comfortably plus runner with a good chance to not only stay in center field, but be very good there. He also has some pop.

His complete inability to hit could be fixable, as it may be largely swing-related. Currently, Ynfante bars his lead arm and loads his hands late, often making his barrel late into the zone. He also strides open, making him vulnerable to breaking stuff tiliting away from him. These issues are not immutable, and Ynfante’s physical abilities — his bat speed and ability to move the bat around the zone a bit — are very promising. There’s much work to be done here. Ynfante is the most volatile prospect in this system and there’s a good chance he never turns into anything, but he has uncommon physical talent and potentially correctable issues.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2013 from Dominican Republic (TBR)
Age 22.1 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 170 Bat / Thr L / L FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 45/45 45/45 50/55 40/40 92-96 / 97

Acquired as part of the return from Tampa Bay for Tommy Pham, Cabrera has a near-ready relief profile that might yield multi-inning value because of the depth of his repertoire. He brings 95-98 mph heat from the left side and complements it with a bevy of inconsistent secondary offerings.

Opinions vary scout to scout as to which of Cabrera’s other pitches is best. The changeup has the best movement but Cabrera struggles to set it up because he can’t locate his fastball consistently. His slider is short and cuttery, the curveball has depth but lacks bite. Taken together, they could be enough to flummox hitters one time through the order, but probably not several times.

16. Lane Thomas, CF
Drafted: 5th Round, 2014 from Bearden HS (TN) (TOR)
Age 23.2 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/45 50/50 40/45 55/55 50/55 55/55

In 2017, the Cardinals traded away some of their International pool space for minor leaguers, including Thomas, who had a breakout 2018 at the plate. A high school shortstop, Thomas got a $750,000 bonus to sign with Toronto as a fifth rounder in 2014. He played some second base, third base and outfield for the Jays before moving off the dirt entirely in 2017. Thomas has struggled intermittently to stay healthy and to hit. He has missed the equivalent of an entire season since 2015 due to injuries, and hit for no power until, in 2018, he exploded for a .264/.333/.489 line between Double and Triple-A, including more home runs (27) than in his previous four seasons combined.

Thomas does have meaningful raw power and he’s a good defensive outfielder. His upright, pull-only style of hitting is perhaps exploitable, dampening our enthusiasm for Thomas as a regular. It’s possible his defensive ability and power will be enough to carry his profile, but we think it’s more likely that he’s a fourth outfielder.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2014 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 21.7 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 40/45 55/60 40/45 95-97 / 99

Injuries robbed Fernandez of much of his last two seasons and brought about a move to the bullpen in 2018. While lightning quick, his arm action is quite violent, which detracts from Fernandez’s command and has created a perception of heightened injury risk. But he also has an upper-90s fastball and plus changeup when healthy and reached Double-A as a 21-year-old last year.

The Cardinals are incentivized to extract big league value out of Fernandez while he’s healthy and has good stuff, so it’s possible we see him and his high-leverage offering as early as next year.

18. Connor Jones, RHP
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2016 from Virginia (STL)
Age 24.1 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
70/70 50/55 50/55 40/45 92-96 / 98

Jones was a well-regarded high schooler whose commitment to Virginia was so strong that he began incorporating some of UVA’s pitching dogma into his delivery before he had even matriculated. His stuff ticked up (92-96 with sink, an above-average split, average slider) as a sophomore and then backed up the following year. While Jones has not performed statistically in either of his two full pro seasons, his sinker is back and has been very difficult for minor league hitters to lift, enabling him to generate a 66% ground ball rate during his pro career.

In the Arizona Fall League, Jones’ sinker was a heavy 92-96, touching 98. His curveball is average, flashes above, and is consistently located down and to his glove side. His profile has some concerning elements: his stuff and command have been inconcsistent, his repertoire has been altered in several ways, and he missed three weeks due to injury in ’18. But Jones has shown an ability to make adjustments and he has a freakish pitch. He’s likely to play some kind of bullpen role, at least.

Drafted: 2nd Round, 2013 from Terrebonne HS (LA) (ARZ)
Age 23.2 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr L / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/45 60/60 40/50 40/40 50/50 50/50

Williams was a strong early-career statistical performer thanks to his big, strength-driven raw power that found a way to play in games despite a swing path that drove the ball into the ground. As he reached the upper levels, that swing became untenable and needed to change.

It did in 2017, when Williams opened his stance, utilized a big leg kick instead of an odd, double toe tap and began to lift the ball more. His ground ball rate dropped from 60% to 52% (which is still high) and he had a monster 2017 before regressing in 2018. Williams doesn’t close all the way when he strides and he’s become very pull-heavy and easier to pitch to. Other than the power, the rest of Williams’ toolset is pretty generic, so he’s going to have to hit a ton to profile. St. Louis has had success tweaking the swings of similar players in the past and Williams’ ground ball rate dropped to 42% after the Cardinals acquired him in the Tommy Pham trade, though that was only in a 76 PA sample. There’s also an approach issue here as Williams really likes to swing.

With Williams’ power and pedigree, we’ll continue to monitor him in case anything changes or improves, and if it does he could be a valuable role-playing corner outfielder. If not, he doesn’t have the diverse skillset required to play a bench-only role.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Cuba (STL)
Age 23.7 Height 5′ 11″ Weight 195 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
50/55 45/45 30/40 55/55 50/55 55/55

A classic tweener outfielder, Arozarena is without the pure speed and instincts to play center field, and lacks the power to play everyday in a corner. He does have good feel for contact and runs well enough to play above-average defense in left or right field. His likely role is that of the lesser platoon, defensive replacement, pinch-running variety.

21. Tommy Edman, 2B
Drafted: 6th Round, 2016 from Stanford (STL)
Age 23.5 Height 5′ 10″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr S / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
50/55 40/40 30/30 55/55 40/45 50/50

Edman is a switch-hitting Joey Wendle. He just passes at shortstop and is a range-driven, above-average defender at second. He has more power when hitting right-handed but doesn’t project to much damage in games. Edman’s flat-planed swing is most effective at catching pitches in the upper half of the zone, which makes him well-positioned to hit if the hitter vs pitcher metagame continues to trend toward letter-high fastballs. Bat-to-ball skills dictate powerless profiles like Edman’s. He either hits enough to be a 50, or he doesn’t and won’t be rosterable unless he starts playing more defensive positions.

22. Ramon Urias, 2B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2010 from Mexico (TEX)
Age 24.4 Height 5′ 10″ Weight 150 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
55/60 40/40 30/35 45/45 50/50 50/50

After two DSL seasons with Texas, Urias’ rights were loaned and then sold outright to Diablos Rojos in Mexico City, where he hit .318/.402/.467 over five seasons before the Cardinals came calling in the spring of 2018.

Urias’ return to affiliated ball went well. He hit .300/.356/.516 in 90 games between Double and Triple-A. His bat-to-ball skills have propelled Urias to the precipice of the majors. He has remarkable bat control, but it was surprising that he hit for as much power as he did last season given his ultra-conservative footwork in the box. He projects as a multi-positional (second, third, some short) bench option, but he also might be a swing tweak away from power that would play every day.

23. Stephen Gingery, LHP
Drafted: 4th Round, 2018 from Texas Tech (STL)
Age 21.1 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / L FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/50 45/50 55/60 45/55 88-93 / 94

Gingery won’t make his pro debut until some time in 2019 because he was drafted and signed while rehabbing from Tommy John surgery in March of his draft year. He hit the big stage as a key part of the Texas Tech rotation in a 2017 College World Series run as a sophomore, then pitched for collegiate Team USA that summer, where most scouts saw him for the first time. Gingery walked off the mound the following February with that elbow injury, but the Cardinals had seen enough to give him $825,000 in the fourth round, as he had buzz in the top two rounds before the injury.

He’s a typical back-end type lefty starter, with average or better command, who works 88-92 mph with an average fastball/curveball combo, but backs it up with a plus changeup he uses as a weapon in almost any situation. With the success rate of Tommy John surgery somewhere around 75% (depending on your definition of success), expectations are that Gingery will be back to what he was (which is similar to former Cardinals first rounder Marco Gonzales, though not quite as athletic) by the end of 2019 or early in 2020, with a chance to move quickly if everything goes to plan.

24. Nick Dunn, 2B
Drafted: 5th Round, 2018 from Maryland (STL)
Age 21.8 Height 5′ 10″ Weight 175 Bat / Thr L / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
35/55 50/50 30/40 35/30 40/45 45/45

Dunn doesn’t have exciting upside, but seems likely to have a big league career of some sort. He’s a below average runner, thrower and defender, but plays a passable second base for now. Dunn may get shifted to left field or just a general ‘bat that you find a spot for’ position, because he’s one of the few college hitters in his draft class who drew near consensus 60 hit grades. He has average raw power that he doesn’t tap into as often as you’d like, so there’s some shot for a swing adjustment (think more aggressive mechanics and/or more lofted swing path) that could make him some version of Daniel Murphy. Or, if he continues on this path with only his hit tool rating above average, he could be more of a Tommy LaStella bench bat type. There’s obviously plenty of space between those two ends of the spectrum and the Murphy outcome is obviously a longshot, but in today’s game, we feel obliged to outline a best case scenario with so many advanced hitters finding game power we didn’t foresee.

25. Luken Baker, 1B
Drafted: 2nd Round, 2018 from TCU (STL)
Age 21.7 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 265 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/45 70/70 40/60 30/20 40/45 60/60

Baker’s amateur career was dashed by a series of freak injuries. As a freshman at TCU, it appeared as though he might single-handedly drive national interest in college baseball as an Ohtani-like two-way force. His injury woes began the following year when he suffered a fracture of, and ligament and muscle tear in, his left arm. The following year he missed a few games after taking a bad hop to the face, and he’d later be shut down for the season when he fractured a fibula and tore an ankle ligament while sliding into second base.

When on the field, the Kaiju-sized Baker has performed. He walked more than he struck out at TCU and tapped into much of his parking-lot-threatening power. He appears to have the physical abilities needed to profile at first if he can stay healthy.

Drafted: 9th Round, 2014 from Embry-Riddle (STL)
Age 26.8 Height 6′ 4″ Weight 185 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Cutter Command Sits/Tops
50/50 55/55 45/50 50/50 50/50 90-95 / 97

The city-appropriate, 180 degree arch created by the letters on the back of Poncedeleon’s jersey accentuates his gawky, rectangular frame, which is so thin that it looks two-dimensional. The Rec Specs, stripey socks, and conquistador mustache complete the comical ensemble, which belies Poncedeleon’s competitive edge. Poncedeleon has a mix of four average pitches. His curveball and changeup are arguably better than that, but both are identifiable out of his hand due to their varied release points, which may be why Poncedelon works most often with his fastball and cutter.

A viable big league arm, Poncedeleon could fit in the back of a rotation or in a relief role.

27. Johan Oviedo, RHP
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Cuba (STL)
Age 20.7 Height 6′ 6″ Weight 220 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/55 45/50 50/55 45/55 30/40 90-94 / 96

A late-season uptick in stuff was the silver lining around an otherwise frustrating season for Oviedo, who walked nearly 15% of hitters he faced. His velocity has been all over the place throughout his pro career, ebbing and flowing anywhere between 87 and 97 mph since he signed. Early in 2018, he was 90-94 with below-average secondaries. Late in 2018, he was touching 96 and flashing a plus changeup and curveball.

A mammoth 6-foot-6, it’s possible Oviedo’s command will come later as he gains control of his limbs. He has mid-rotation upside if the quality of his stuff becomes more consistent and he irons out his control issues. He has a wide range of possible outcomes from traditional mid-rotation starter to enigmatic release candidate.

28. Malcom Nunez, 1B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2018 from Cuba (STL)
Age 17.7 Height 5′ 11″ Weight 205 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/55 55/60 30/60 40/30 30/45 55/55

Trapped in the International Amateur market’s penalty box after their 2016 Cuban shopping spree, the Cardinals were still able to find some interesting $300,000 talent in each of the following two years. Nuñez is the best hitter of that bunch and he posted god-like numbers in the DSL last year, slashing .415/.497/.774 with 31 extra-base hits in 44 games.

Already to be taken with a healthy grain of salt, DSL numbers are often faulty when the prospect in question is more physically mature than his peers, and the hefty Nuñez is a classic case. He will likely need to move to first base, perhaps even while he’s still in the minors, putting a ton of pressure on his admittedly prodigious bat to fully actualize. There’s not much physical projection here, so the raw power Nuñez currently has is pretty close to what he’ll have at peak, meaning the bat-to-ball component is what will drive his stock going forward.

Drafted: 9th Round, 2017 from East Carolina (STL)
Age 23.6 Height 6′ 5″ Weight 215 Bat / Thr L / L FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
50/50 50/50 45/50 50/55 45/50 88-92 / 93

Kruczynski is a big, athletic college lefty who, like many Cardinals draft picks, has been pushed very quickly through the minors. He has already reached Double-A and had success there in a six-start sample. He has four average pitches that play well up due to Kruczynski’s ability to get way down the mound and release the ball right on top of hitters. His range of potential outcomes is quite narrow, going from backend starter to up-down spot starter or bullpen contributor.

Drafted: 1st Round, 2016 from Int’l Baseball Academy HS (PR) (STL)
Age 20.0 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 170 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
30/35 30/40 20/30 60/60 45/55 55/55

As a high schooler in Puerto Rico, Perez looked like he had a chance to be a five-tools monster. He was a svelte-but-strong 6-foot-3 with plus, unpolished bat speed, plus-plus footspeed and every physical trait necessary to stay at shortstop. A positive PED test ahead of the draft tanked his stock, and Perez exhibited a steady physical decline in the year and a half that followed this revelation.

Still viable at shortstop, Perez’s ability to swing the bat with verve has evaporated. His age and frame are still indicative of physical growth, but unless Perez reclaims some of the offensive explosion he showed in high school, he profiles as a glove-only shortstop prospect.

31. Conner Greene, RHP
Drafted: 7th Round, 2013 from Santa Monica HS (CA) (TOR)
Age 23.6 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 185 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
55/55 50/55 40/40 45/50 40/40 92-95 / 96

For a 25-start stretch across 2014 and 2015, Greene threw strikes. Outside of that, he has posted an 11% walk rate, largely due to release variance that also tips his curveball. Greee’s stuff is good. He has a viable four-pitch mix, including a nasty, tilting slider. This mix gives him a chance to yield multi-inning value and perhaps even start if his control comes late, so Greene is ahead of the single-inning relief prospects on this list. One of two pitchers acquired from Toronto in exchange for Randal Grichuk, Greene is on the St. Louis 40-man and we’ll likely see him in the big leagues at some point next year despite his clear volatility.

32. Seth Elledge, RHP
Drafted: 4th Round, 2017 from Dallas Baptist (SEA)
Age 22.5 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 230 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Changeup Command Sits/Tops
55/55 50/55 45/50 40/45 91-94 / 96

A fourth round pick by Seattle in 2017, Elledge was traded to the Cardinals for Sam Tuivailala just over a year after he was drafted. The Cardinals push college pitchers up the minor league ladder very quickly, and they sent Elledge to Double-A immediately after acquiring him. Though he only sits in the low-90s, Elledge’s fastball results in uncomfortable swings from opposing hitters because he generates big extension and hides the ball well. He’s a low-risk middle relief prospect who should be ready for the majors relatively soon.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2016 from Panama (STL)
Age 18.5 Height 6′ 0″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/50 40/45 30/40 30/30 45/55 50/50

Some late-season catching dominos fell in such a way that the Cardinals needed another Double-A receiver in early-September. Advanced in all facets and coming off of a strong stateside debut in the GCL, Herrera was promoted all the way to Springfield, where he made a single start. Physically and technically mature, Herrera is more advanced than he is prospecty and his tools are more in line with a backup catcher than one who clearly projects as a starter.

34. Juan Yepez, 1B
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2014 from Venezuela (ATL)
Age 20.7 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
25/45 60/60 30/50 40/40 45/50 55/55

Traded from Atlanta in exchange for Matt Adams, Yepez was a heavy-bodied, power-hitting prospect with no position. Since the trade, he has remade himself physically, and now has a physique similar to Tyler O’Neill. Long term, Yepez still projects to first base and he may lack the approach and contact skills to produce at the level necessary to profile there.

35. Evan Mendoza, 3B
Drafted: 1st Round, 2017 from North Carolina State (STL)
Age 22.4 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 200 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw
40/55 50/50 30/40 40/40 45/50 60/60

Mendoza has moved through very quickly, and reached Double-A in his first full season. He’s a rangy defender at third base and has even played a little shortstop. He has ugly, but effective, bat control that has, so far, enabled a rather expansive approach. He could be a Matt Duffy-type of player, who succeeds early and then is forced to adjust once opposing pitchers learn to exploit his aggressiveness. More likely, he’s a bench option once he eventually starts branching out to other defensive postions.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2010 from Mexico (NYY)
Age 27.2 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 210 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Curveball Changeup Command Sits/Tops
60/60 55/55 50/50 40/40 93-95 / 96

The Yankees and Cardinals exchanged upper-level surplus talents during the summer in the swap that sent Chasen Shreve and Gallegos to St. Louis for Luke Voit. Gallegos is a standard, single-inning relief arm with a funky, vertical release point that makes his fastball tough to square and his slider’s shape and quality are very inconsistent.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2012 from Venezuela (STL)
Age 23.8 Height 6′ 3″ Weight 190 Bat / Thr R / R FV 40
Tool Grades (Present/Future)
Fastball Slider Curveball Splitter Command Sits/Tops
50/50 50/55 50/50 50/50 45/45 91-94 / 95

Gonzalez is a generic fifth starter/middle reliever tweener with a 55 slider that he commands well. He has missed several weeks due to injury during each of the last three seasons.

35+ FV Prospects

38. Adanson Cruz, RF
Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 18.1 Height 6′ 2″ Weight 175 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

A $300,000 signee from 2017, Cruz has a traditional corner outfield profile. He has a projectable 6-foot-3 frame and a swing geared to lift the ball to his pull side. He could grow into plus, playable power. He’s likely a left field-only fit, so he’ll need to.

Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Dominican Republic (STL)
Age 18.2 Height 5′ 11″ Weight 175 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

De Los Santos signed for $250,000 in 2017 and had a strong summer in the DSL, hitting .360/.460/.500 with more walks than strikeouts. Though he also worked out as an infielder as an amateur, De Los Santos lacked the arm and actions for the dirt and began his pro career in center field. He’s a plus runner and though his frame is mature, it’s quite compact and he’s not likely to get so large that he must move to a corner. His skillset is exactly the kind that often crushes the DSL; he’s much stronger than most of the league’s lanky teens and his speed takes advantage of bad DSL defenses. There are big league tools here, they just come with some reasons to doubt the elite-level performance.

40. Mateo Gil, SS
Drafted: 3rd Round, 2018 from Timber Creek HS (TX) (STL)
Age 18.3 Height 6′ 1″ Weight 180 Bat / Thr R / R FV 35+

Gil was drafted because of his athleticism and defensive ability. He has a low-probability bat, but proponents think it will come with physical maturation.

Other Prospects of Note
Grouped by type and listed in order of preference within each category.

Polished, Contacted-Oriented Hitters

Scott Hurst, OF
Chase Pinder, CF
Stanley Espinal, 3B
Max Schrock, 2B
Jonatan Machado, OF
Kramer Robertson, SS

Most of these prospects are classic tweeners who have a skill or two that might one day be strong enough to propel them into a big league role. Hurst, who is fine in CF and above-average in the corners, might hit enough to play everyday but his likely ceiling looks more like a reserve OF. The same goes for Chase Pinder, who also might be just a swing tweak away from shooting up this list. He has some raw pop but hits the ball on the ground a lot. Stanley Espinal was acquired from Boston for international pool space in 2017. He has the best bat of this group but might end up at first base. Schrock went backward in 2018. He’ll either hit enough to be a 50 or he won’t, in which case he’s a 30. Machado got $2.3 million in 2016 and he hasn’t added an ounce of muscle since then. He has good bat control for someone with zero physicality. He also has one of the more distinctive swings in the minors, because at times he walks from the back of the batter’s box to the front during the pitcher’s windup. Robertson has a glove-only profile.

Power-only Profiles

Johan Mieses, OF
Patrick Wisdom, 3B/1B
Leandro Cedeno, OF
Victor Garcia, OF
Lars Nootbaar, 1B
Terry Fuller, 1B

Mieses, who was acquired from the Dodgers for Breyvic Valera, also has above-average straight line speed, but he’s a little too aggressive at the plate. Wisdom has huge pop but a dubious glove at third and too much whiff to comfortably profile at first. The others here are all big bodies with pop who need to hit a ton to profile at the bottom of the defensive spectrum.

Young Arms

Ludwin Jimenez, RHP
Freddy Pacheco, RHP
Winston Nicacio, RHP
Dionis Zamora, RHP

Nicacio perhaps doesn’t belong in this group because he’s a 21-year-old with average stuff that played better when he was moved to the bullpen (and demoted) mid-summer. Of the teenage arms here, Jimenez has the least velo (upper-80s right now) but he’s smooth, projectable, throws strikes, has an advanced changeup and his curveball has good shape. Pacheco has touched 95, while Zamora has touched 93, but both have raw secondaries that really only flash average right now.

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Nick Plummer, OF

We liked Plummer in high school but multiple hand surgeries have derailed the early stages of a career that was already likely to start slowly due to his background (he was a Michigan high schooler who only saw good pitching during the summer). Pro scouts don’t consider him a prospect, but we’re keeping an eye on him because of his pedigree.

System Overview

The hitter categories in the “Others of Note” section could be applied to most of the hitters in this system as a whole, as they’re nearly all either big power hitters on the wrong end of the defensive spectrum or up-the-middle players with vanilla physical tools and strong baseball instincts. Acquiring talent like this has served the Cardinals well for a quite a while.

While this organization remains grounded in old maxims, it has also branched out a bit lately. The Cardinals had in-person coverage on the complexes for the first time in 2018. It netted them Jhon Torres at the deadline. Torres was acquired by shipping off some of the upper-level outfield logjam (Oscar Mercado), but there are still a lot of guys pushing for playing time that need to be sorted. Look for the Cardinals to continue to consolidate some of that talent via trade and for the pitching staff to have a modern, multi-inning relief theme in 2018.

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